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Originally Posted by Amravanti
That argument doesn't work for a number of reasons.
One, because I live in California, where waiters are payed at least minimum wage, generally more.
Two, I wouldn't be depriving anyone of a proper wage. The system would be. Or the employer. That's sort of the main point I've tried to make here. How can anyone seriously blame a customer for an employee's wages?
Also, this may be shaky logic, but staying home in effect has the same outcome as not tipping. I end up depriving the restaurant of business.<.br><br> [SNIP]<br><br>
This must be annoying to everyone at this point, so I'm officially done with this now. Promise. It's obvious no one agrees with me and no one is going to change my mind.
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For sake of arguement, I've posted the standards set by the US dept. of Labour Standards at
U.S. Department of Labor - Employment Standards Administration (ESA) - Wage & Hour Divisions (WHD) - Minimum Wages for Tipped Employees
According to them, there is a minimum set under federal statutes for cash wages ( $ 2.13 ) and does set a minimum "cash + tips" wage ( $ 6.55 ), so if companies are following the law - which many do NOT - the wage is supplemented by the employer if it's not met by tips. It should be noted that in NYC that the combined min. set is $ 7.15.
In Calfornia, the minimum set is a "lofty" $ 8.00/hr CASH wages ( before any tips ) - so assuming you only go to establishments that respect the law - giving them no tip is not "stealing" as much as it is defying customary traditions.
That being said, a LOT of establishments are scumbags and do NOT respect these minimum standards set by law. Knowing that, does that make a difference?