[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by yoav

i agree it's theft but point out again that downloading a song on limewire is NOT the same as stealing a cd from a record store, in canada ipods and other hard drives have a ~$30 tax which is distributed among artists, in canada it's not considered theft to download music, in canada there is no such thing as illegal music downloads.

You're right, it's not the same. A CD can only be stolen once, while a digital copy can be stolen infinitely.

Originally Posted by yoav

i support local artists and shows, and other independents including katg

No one gives a shit. That doesn't give you the right to steal.

Originally Posted by yoav

i believe the system needs to change, on an idealistic level, but also on a feasibility level, there is no sustainable or effective way to enforce copyright law. DRM doesn't work, spying on peoples computers should be illegal, etc.

Nothing's going to change, because there's no benefit to giving stuff away for free, and there are still people willing to pay for CDs.

There's no reason to give you cheap shits anything for free because you'll give nothing back for it.

Originally Posted by yoav

bob and i may disagree on the need to change the system but in my opinion it's clear and obvious it's not working and cannot work as we move into the future. artists need to get a bigger cut, and labels need to distribute music people like and will buy instead of just music that can be injected full of product placement.

...That's what many labels do. Many underground labels are supported by people who like music. Not thieves.

Originally Posted by yoav

we may also disagree on how to go about enacting change, I believe when a big entity preys on unaware grandmothers for babbillions of dollars and are allowed to because they control and dictate the system they deserve a huge fuck you.

How about dumb bitches shouldn't prey on artists?

Originally Posted by yoav

I believe if they're allowed to continue without speaking out against them, the next step will be to sue you for a babillion dollars if you purchase music as a cd and copy the songs onto your ipod, which in current US Copyright Law is ILLEGAL. in fact the RIAA had press releases declaring their will to do just that, several times.

I agree that should be stopped. That isn't inextricably coupled with your dumb anti-artist stance.

Originally Posted by yoav

it's for these reasons that i maintain and persist to fuck the riaa, and apparently rub bob the wrong way(poem a ©Yoav 2009) to such a degree that he tries to unfoundedly degrade and insult me in every controversial thread instead of engage me. it hurts bob, it hurts down deep. if you hit any lower, you'd be at my feet(poem b ©Yoav 2009)

The RIAA sucks, yes, but advocating the dissolution of a system that exchanges art for pay is not the right way to go about fighting them.

And insulting you is completely justified. You are a thief. I do not like thieves.