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Originally Posted by ThisIsMyUserName
Just because it has a price tag? You must have had some kind of personal trauma where someone took something you "put a price tag on".
What if someone steals something and then puts a price tag on it and resells it to you? Companies you support have done this.
What if the original creator of something says "I want to give this away for free", but a 3rd party won't let them? Or copies their idea and sells it anyway? I feel I now have the right to have that for free, as an extra "fuck you" to the people who shouldn't have a say in the matter.
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Obviously that's not what I'm talking about, is it?
Did yoav or the woman from this article steal from people who
wanted to give their stuff away? Or did they steal from people who wanted to get paid?
You get my point, you're just being arbitrary.
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Originally Posted by yoav
Do you agree with having music that is so locked down it's a hassle to transfer to another computer? Do you think it's ok to pay for that? Now that iTunes finally has DRM free music, they decided it would be a good idea to charge you another 30 cents per song that you already bought, to be able to use it the way "thieves" have been able to use their music all along. Sorry, but if you cause me 1 minute of aggravation, I'm going elsewhere. I don't have time for stress for a damn song.
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You can buy a CD. It's not that hard.
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Originally Posted by yoav
a) all of your claims are from someone that doesn't pirate, so they are invalid and assumptions based on your own bias. I am making claims based on personal experience, articles, the state of the industry and higher thinking. please go pirate and come back when you have enough background to participate in this thread. or at least admit that you've been to the porn thread, and are a complete hypocrite.
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What the fuck is wrong with you? The only possible bias is from someone who doesn't pirate?
I am making claims based on personal experience, articles, the industry, people from the industry, musicians themselves, and a vast array of other examples of pirates causing problems for content creators in other media.
What insight could I possibly glean from stealing? How in the world would that have any affect on the ethical implications of stealing?
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b) this thread has nothing to do with theft
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Except for that it's about an article about theft.
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Originally Posted by yoav
c) there is no price tag on a pirated music file, just as there is no price tag on the digital copy nebraska made onto her ipod. (correction there is no price tag until the riaa decides it's worth $80,000), MANY artists who are signed with record companies that contribute to the riaa speak out against their frivolous lawsuits.
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Just because someone's against the lawsuits doesn't mean they don't want you to pay for it. If that were the case, you would have said it that way, rather than the way you did.
I said this at page 1 or 2: I'm anti-RIAA,
and I'm anti-thief.
If this was a thread about someone getting sued for copying shit they bought onto their iPod, I wouldn't have said fuck that lady. But that isn't what the latest lawsuit is about, is it?
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Originally Posted by yoav
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That article quotes artists who want to get paid for what they do, but do not agree with what the RIAA does. If your memory spanned more than a few days, you would remember that that is exactly what I am saying.
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Originally Posted by yoav
d) the only idealist in this thread is you, and it's an idealism based on complete and utter ignorance, and shouting because you're not actually saying anything. 90% of your posts in this thread are identical, and none of them have to do with the thread, they're all based on attacking me on a personal level.
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1) Artists do want to get paid for their work. This is made clear through the fact that you could name less than a handful of bands who are giving their work away for free. Whether or not they think theft is inevitable is not the issue; they want to get paid. Even if the record labels are dissolved,
they still want to get paid for their work. Stealing it is rendering
nothing to them.
2) It's ignorant now to say that stealing somebody's hard work is wrong? Fine, I'm ignorant, you thieving fuck.
3) Yes, I'm attacking you on a personal level. Because you are a shitty person who shits on artists and then claims to be fostering a "renaissance" of art.
4) Yes, evidently I'm an idealist. Turns out you're a piece of shit, and it was too hopeful of me to think that you wouldn't be. You're still a piece of shit, though.