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Originally Posted by yoav
i argue it needs to change because it's set up in a way that hinders the arts.
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It doesn't hinder the arts, it allows the consumer to circumnavigate the correct channels of obtaining art, and thus hinders the artists.
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Originally Posted by yoav
that profiting off someone else's work without their consent is wrong and should be illegal in my model as it violates the artist's intent, however it should be noted my model creates a world were nobody profits off other's work because it's only the application or implementation of the work that has value.
in simpler terms, in my model, live performance, original art pieces, etc. have value(and to clarify it's not value in the object it's value in the artist applying their knowledge and talent). digital copies of work do not. you get paid to make art by someone who wants you to create that art. it has nothing to do with owning art. it's a world apart from copyright, owning art, etc. it's a completely different system.
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This is the heart of the entire thread. You are arguing the ideal, not the reality. The reality is you live in a completely different country, with different laws, and different codes of ethics. You are arguing for laws that don't exist in the realm you want them to in order to fit your ideal world. Your world has art without value. Therefore, the Mona Lisa, the statue of David, the Last Supper, etc. are all worthless because art has no value. Sorry, but the world of art, and the lengths museums go to protect them, proves you are wrong.
In fairness, Bob is doing the same thing. He is arguing that the current American ethics, laws, etc. should also apply to those who live in Canada because the impact is the same on the artists, despite what the Canadian laws say. His argument is ethical, and that should be understood across borders, regardless of what laws say.
This conversation will never end. Someone else will post a topic someday that has the same theme, and it will rehash. You and Bob will not agree. Let it go. You two are never going to see eye to eye on anything.
And I, too, am done with this thread.