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Originally Posted by Greg In Oakland
The problem I have with Keith is that he makes a broad statement in saying that 'You can't be a good Christian and a good person'. This is complete bunk. I theorize that he bases is opinion on his upbringing as a Catholic, which has a dogma based on the bible being the absolute truth. I can attest that many sects of Christianity see the bible as a guideline and that Christ's word abolishes the laws of the Old Testament. Following Christ requires you to love God and love your neighbor. The rest is commentary.
But again, please answer my question. I am sincerely quizzical. Would you be ok with the content of the show being mostly anti-religious?
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Give me five "sects" that reject the Old Testament. I'm sure you could come up with five mega-churches somewhere that have a couple hundred attendees and got some media coverage in the nineties, but there is no abundance of major denominations that do any such thing. This is America, where a whole lot of kid's parents brought them up Christian, me included. You're parading around like you're the only kid on these forums that is or was a Christian or was brought up in a Christian household. We're not ignorant of what Christianity is. Sodom and Gomorrah. First book of the Bible. Boom. Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve. Genesis. Pow. "It is an abomination." Leviticus. Sha-zam! There is a whole giant segment of this country that believes gay marriage should not be legal. What the fuck is their stance based on? It's not based on the actions of Jesus Christ. It's based on passages from the Bible in the Old Testament. Baptist, Methodist, Catholic, Protestant, African Methodist Episcopal. I don't care which one you pick out of a hat. Dump every Christian into that hat--good or bad, and even this supposed population of people who denounce the Old Testament--and you're going to get something like one of those 99% of the time. I'm not a scientist, and I don't have any statistical research, but I would bet you so many dollars (
so many dollars lol) that it would be more than 50%, more than 60%, more than 70%, and more than 80%. (All I'm saying is to chill before you go railing me for naming percentages. You know exactly what I mean. LeBron James up in here.)
But, let's take these people who denounce the Old Testament. They're out there. I believe you. I was one of them my freshman year of high school, though I didn't look at it so specifically. They've got their beliefs. They may even be pro gay marriage and choice and all that bullshit. They're good people, and you may even consider them good Christians. That's what Keith is trying to say. These people aren't bad people, but they aren't good Christians according to the Bible, because they don't adhere to everything in there. So, they've got a different Bible. So, let's throw these people out of the equation. You have your Catholics and your Methodists and whoever, and they all believe in the Bible, but maybe some of them don't agree with everything that's in it. These people are practicing Methodists, yet they think gay marriage should not be banned. That's a good person but a bad Methodist. To be Methodist, you have to believe certain things. To be Protestant, you have to believe certain things. To call yourself Protestant and not practice according to your doctrine, you are a bad Protestant. The fact of the matter is that most Christian denominations do believe the Old Testament. There aren't enough out there to even bring them into the picture, and if you think so, and if that's your point, then you need to just say that shit and stop bickering with everyone who tries to explain it to you. That's a minute technicality in what is an overarchingly homogeneous system of beliefs.
I don't even care if you change your mind about any of this. That's not the point of discussion. The point of discussion is to learn, grow, and maybe solidify your own views, but no joy for either party can come from trying to change the other person's mind. You're not going to budge, and I'm not trying to make you switch over to the dark side or anything, but I really have to know if you even get what Keith and a lot of people here are trying to say. Technicalities aside, crazy middle-America sects aside, whether or not Keith's argument is right or wrong, do you at least get the picture? Do you know what we're trying to say? Because, honestly, you're coming across as dense, ignorant, petty, and instigating.
Oh, and again, you're right that Keith is generalizing, but that's because this truly is a general portion of the population and even the population of Christians. He's lumping in a lot of different people when he says "Christians", but his point is obvious. You know exactly what he means. He means the majority of Christians. It looks like you're upset that he is talking in general, but when you break it down and exclude whatever little sects you want to, the same point would be valid. And, also, he doesn't need anything more than his Catholic background and what he knows about other people's backgrounds. Christians are very vocal. That's an understatement. They control this country. And to get back at another one of mine and other's points, Catholicism
is Christianity. So, Keith's point of view is from Christianity and the book that defines Christianity and all the people in this country that parade around in the name of God.
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Originally Posted by Greg In Oakland
But again, please answer my question. I am sincerely quizzical. Would you be ok with the content of the show being mostly anti-religious?
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THIS IS MY ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION. I'M SORRY TO BE A DOUCHE IN ALL CAPS ABOUT IT, BUT I DON'T WANT YOU TO MISS IT FOR THE FOURTH TIME AND HAVE TO ASK ME AGAIN.
I did answer your question. I made a really big deal about how I didn't want you to ignore my answer hidden in all the gibberish, and I even repeated myself. I'll do it again.
"Since you keep reiterating that your point isn't whether Keith is right or wrong but about how he keeps bringing it up, then I gotta jump back real quick to one of my points before you forget it was up there, lol. Listeners keep bringing it up. America keeps bringing it up. Politicians keep bringing it. God keeps bringing it up through his people. Keith is just responding, and his opinion on religion just happens to spark more interest than his opinion of his butt hole or his poop. Keith talks about his poop a lot, too. Hell, he talks about Tom Cotter a whole fuckin lot, too, but it's funny when he does that, so nobody gets riled up."