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Old 07-16-2013, 04:47 AM   #71 (permalink)
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To be fair, there was a big CTRL-Z whacked down by JC in the New Testament. He said forget about the old stuff, and just be nice to people. I view the OT as basically Jewish history. And some ancient porn in the Song of Solomon.
The whole reset button still doesn't excuse the behavior. According to believers, this was the word of God. This was how God believed people should behave and treat others.

The Christians can't pretend that their God didn't command his people to behave barbarically in the Old Testament. You can't say the New Testament is an "Etch-A-Sketch Moment". The Christian God is the same God that was cool with many disgusting things.

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Yep, there's a lot of shit in there, but teaching kids (or whomever) to pick out the good bits and to avoid indoctrination is a valuable tool for forming their own opinions about stuff. Being able to sort the good bits from the shit is very useful for life. Also useful for smorgasboards.
It's hardly ever used in that context, if ever.

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There's also a bit in the Bible about "test everything". I.e. only do stuff if it aligns with what you think God would want you to do.
I've never heard about that. Can you site the passages that those lessons come from? I'd love to read more about it.

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Change "God" to "your conscience", and is that pretty much what atheists use as their compass?
Can't speak for all atheists but I try to avoid any form of reasoning, life lessons or morals which are based on the Bible or rooted in some form of god. The Bible loaded with so much BS, it's a bad source for any kind of real information. The Bible is not a tool for learning because it's loaded with inaccurate and misinformation.

It's like using a math book that's loaded with incorrect answers as your guide to learning math. Sure, some math problems will be correct but how do you know which ones? Why trot through a mine field of bad information?

So, when you compare God and my conscience, I just cringe. I would not want to compare the two.

However, here's a study that shows pretty much what you're saying: people's conscience matches what they think god believes. When they conducted brain scans, personal opinions and what they thought god's opinion was, came from the same place in the brain.

Creating God in one's own image : Not Exactly Rocket Science

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Maybe you're right...
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Old 07-16-2013, 06:34 AM   #72 (permalink)
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The whole reset button still doesn't excuse the behavior. According to believers, this was the word of God. This was how God believed people should behave and treat others.

The Christians can't pretend that their God didn't command his people to behave barbarically in the Old Testament. You can't say the New Testament is an "Etch-A-Sketch Moment". The Christian God is the same God that was cool with many disgusting things.
Yeah, I'm not saying the Bible is the WoG. I'm saying I was brought up with it as such, but then learned that a bunch of pedos cherry-picked some ancient texts they liked, stuck them in a book, and then started fucking altar boys.

However, if used correctly, it can (as many other things can) be a positive influence in the life of someone if that someone is correctly guided or self-motivated.



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It's hardly ever used in that context, if ever.
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I've never heard about that. Can you site the passages that those lessons come from? I'd love to read more about it.
I cried out to Google, and he answered me thus:
1 Thessalonians 5:21 but test them all; hold on to what is good,



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Can't speak for all atheists but I try to avoid any form of reasoning, life lessons or morals which are based on the Bible or rooted in some form of god. The Bible loaded with so much BS, it's a bad source for any kind of real information. The Bible is not a tool for learning because it's loaded with inaccurate and misinformation.

It's like using a math book that's loaded with incorrect answers as your guide to learning math. Sure, some math problems will be correct but how do you know which ones? Why trot through a mine field of bad information?
Comparing a science like math with what (imo) philosophy isn't a just comparison.

How about I say that the OT is a set of stories designed to contrast the NT and enhance the importance of not owning women and killing people...?

I think taht there's also a passage in the Bible about God being able to speak to us through any medium, one of which is the Bible, and another of which may be the NY Times or the KATG forums.

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So, when you compare God and my conscience, I just cringe. I would not want to compare the two.
I'm not sure I'm going to be able to understand your aversion to the term "God" via the forums. This sounds like a discussion to be had over several bottles of red and a large cheese & antipasto platter.

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However, here's a study that shows pretty much what you're saying: people's conscience matches what they think god believes. When they conducted brain scans, personal opinions and what they thought god's opinion was, came from the same place in the brain.

Creating God in one's own image : Not Exactly Rocket Science
I'll read this. Thx

It sounds like it matches a favourite saying of mine which pissed off many religious cunts:
Q: "How do I recognise when God is speaking to me?"
A: "His voice sounds like mine"

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Good thing Michael skipped the part about incest. That could be an awkward conversation around here.
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Good thing Michael skipped the part about incest. That could be an awkward conversation around here.
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If it was one, it sure would be awkward!
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If it was one, it sure would be awkward!
WTF are you taking about?

Is there some KATG incest thing that I don't know about?
Did mikey fuck chemmo when they were kids?

What am i missing?

This fucking thread has raised a lot of questions.
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If. IF. IF.

As far as I know, it's never happened.
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However, here's a study that shows pretty much what you're saying: people's conscience matches what they think god believes. When they conducted brain scans, personal opinions and what they thought god's opinion was, came from the same place in the brain.

Creating God in one's own image : Not Exactly Rocket Science
Interdasting...

I find that studies like this sound uncomfortably similar to religious articles. The impression I get is that the people who did the study had an idea of what they wanted to find rather than going in with a truly open mind, which really shits me off when dealing with "science".

I expect blinkered one-eyed bias from religion. After all, that's what they're about. I hold science to a higher standard. I assume that's why I love KATG - Keith is the epitome of science...

Analysing a bunch of seppo Christfags, and finding out that they superimpose God over their own decisions is not a shock.

I shall give this moar thought...

There was also a good post today in one of the show threads about this. Can't remember who wrote it, but they used lots of impressive variations on "agnostic".
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I saw this today in my wanking around on interwebs instead of working travels

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However, here's a study that shows pretty much what you're saying: people's conscience matches what they think god believes. When they conducted brain scans, personal opinions and what they thought god's opinion was, came from the same place in the brain.

Creating God in one's own image : Not Exactly Rocket Science
I re-read the article, and I may have been a bit harsh earlier. I was probably upset by that nightmare guys vs girls counting thread. If you want proof that evil exists, try participating that bastard of a thread.

Anyone who uses God to justify their actions scares me.

People need to make their own choices and fucking take responsibility for them.

However, me making my own choices doesn't mean that I don't believe that there's something out there.

Having paid enough attention in science classes to understand how eggs work (unlike a certain podcast host I could mention), I see the levels of order in the universe, and have a hard time believing it all just happened to explode in just the right way. @DJQuad made this point in the show thread from a few days ago.

I'm not advocating religion. Intelligent design is more where I'm coming from.
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