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This is constantly denied during the early part of the show, which is why I felt like I was taking crazy pills. Chemda and Elsa were pretending that I was being scared of Elsa simply holding a sign when Elsa knows that the act of blocking the door is a big part of what makes the situation intimidating. Quote:
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Rally people behind your cause and take the fight to those in power. Elsa believes that Black Brunch rallies people to the cause (or at least educates them about it). I believe it does not. Quote:
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However, I understand your point about it possibly being Elsa's point of view. I wonder what she'd have to say about that. Quote:
I'm not ignoring what it might feel like if you're poor and black. I get why Elsa is frustrated. I just don't think her tactics are effective. Quote:
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Take the fight to those in power. Make them fearful of being thrown out of office and losing their jobs if they don't respect our civil rights. |
Regarding Martin Luther King Jr.'s protests. On the show, I couldn't explain why I would be OK with protests like the March on Selma and not blocking the highway, since King's marches blocked the road as well. Unfortunately, I wasn't educated enough on the topic to explain the difference, so I researched it after the show.
Here are clear differences between the two
Now, there's a ton more that happened over the years that Martin Luther King Jr. and fellow activists fought for civil rights but they fought to change the system, not destroy it. They fought for political change with specific goals. I think that's a far different movement that the disorganized Black Lives Matter movement. I think the disorganization BLM has is similar to the disorganization the Occupy movement had. Having said that, seeing clear goals with Campaign Zero and the recently released Vision for Black Lives will go a long way to organize the movement and enact real change. I look forward to their success in improving the civil rights of all Americans. |
This was very intense. There were times that I was super frustrated with both Elsa and Michael. One thing maybe we could all agree on us is that this conversation possibly accomplished more good for our common cause then a Black Brunch.
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Still doing VIP catch-up, so way late on this one, but geeze. How did Michael turn into a slightly progressive version of Archie Bunker? :(
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To hear this conversation four years after it was had, a month after the murder of George Floyd... I can't come up with a good way to describe it other than this would be a very good episode to revisit given the current protests here and around the world. |
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Initially, she said she was deliberately trying to scare people to get their attention. People couldn't leave and had to listen to what she was saying. I was pointing out that it was counterproductive to do that. Then she said people were free to leave and she wasn't trying to prevent people from leaving. Meanwhile, she JUST SAID that they deliberately stood in front of the door, giving the implication that people couldn't leave. Quote:
Trump was elected with only 27% of eligible voters. 100 million Americans stayed home. Yes, yes. You can make a case that the Electoral College makes an NYS vote for president meaningless but, for what Elsa is complaining about, local elections matter even more. Mayor, Judges, District Attorney and other local officials are much more responsible for police action than the president is. And just because a state always votes for one party, it doesn't mean your vote is meaningless. Primaries are the real elections for a solid red/blue state. Look at what happened with AOC. Quote:
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