1140: No Respect

[Keith]

"Somebody knows about my cracked glass!"


What Do We Do Now? - Keith and The Girl Free Comedy Talk Show

[Junkenstein]

I understand i might sound insane and incoherent when i make my points (and maybe i am) but i'll try to explain.

I think the police force should be harsh to the point of martial law concerning CRIMES.

I do not consider doodling a crime, so cuffing the girl was silly, mostly because it was a waste of police time and probably didnt deter anyone from doing it. But if a kid is found dealing that is a crime and i'm in favour of extreme punishment for it. And i think that if a druf dealing minor was shot in a public execution, that would be a strong deterrent.

In the case of the cop a snowball. I think that the NY cop, which was chased, acted like a pussy. Snowballs are annoying but they're not a crime or a threat. He called for backup and wasted other policemen's time. He pulled out a gun and could have got somebody's killed (where a snowball is hardly lethal).
But i understand that a bunch of annoying 20 year olds targeting a policeman with their dumb snowballs deserve a lesson, so a nice old school beating in a room could definitely work (because probably these guys never got a spanking in their life).

So, to recap: different degrees of punishment dor different degrees of wrong doings. Serious Crimes = execution, lack of respect for the authority=jail and a few beatings.

Doodling isnt serious enough to me to involve authority.

Sorry, if i make no sense. I try to plant moral pickets in my head but it aint easy.

If i sounded dumb i'll buy another few books to repent.

[Keith]

Cops shouldn't be expected to be Jean-Claude Van Dammes. Call for back-up in ANY situation. Why not?

If more than a couple people are threatening you, shouldn't you assume that at least one of those people have a knife, minimum?

[Junkenstein]

I always thought that part of the training of a police officer was understanding what was a serious situation that needed back up and use of weapons and what wasnt. But yes, i see what you mean.

In Italy, cops sent to the riotings at football games are killed with rocks, knives and steelbars, but they cant shoot. Actually if a cop kills a rioter, even if the guy was endangering his life, he's going to be in trouble. That isnt good, but it shows how different is the mentality about the use of police force here.

I'm used to think that back-up, drawing weapons, etc should be something you use in extreme cases, mostly to avoid the backfire of media. SO when i heard that this cop called backup for a snowball fight, i mostly thought that he was making the police force look neurotic and ridiculous, and giving the press more reasons to complain. And giving the kids a reason to sue the state and make a fuss.

So, yeah, in the end you were right, the cop had a reason to feel endangered and react. It's just a pity that the media stuck their noses in and made the whole thing an issue.

[BrianAlt]

Just to be clear, I understand that 11 PM is not *that* late. But when we both wake up by 6 AM every day, it's pretty late.

[Grapist]

Originally Posted by Keith

Cops shouldn't be expected to be Jean-Claude Van Dammes. Call for back-up in ANY situation. Why not?

If more than a couple people are threatening you, shouldn't you assume that at least one of those people have a knife, minimum?

Even if it's not more than one, even if it's one person threatening you, assume they are carrying a weapon of some sort. Common Sense™

[Junkenstein]

I think my mindset is fucked because basically i live in a society where guns arent free. People who want them can find them, but in some sort of a vicious circle, cops cant shoot as easily. If a police officer shoots even an armed person, there's a high chance he'll be prosecuted. Self defense is seen as something to avoid and go to only in extreme situations.

So, probably, that's why i find so difficult to get the "assume they are armed" aspect. A friend of mine shot a robber in his own house. He went to jail and also had to pay the robber's family for a while. The law is even harsher with cops. So when i heard that this guy acted that way because of something as innocuous as a snowball, i thought it was a bad move. But mostly because the press was going to crucify him and lawyers would ruin him.

[Grapist]

So that's why my copy hasn't come in from Netflix. Anyone coming to the Austin meetup that happened to get a copy of it through Netflix keep it and bring it with you, I don't think I'm going to get it in time.

[siric]

Originally Posted by Junkenstein

I always thought that part of the training of a police officer was understanding what was a serious situation that needed back up and use of weapons and what wasnt. But yes, i see what you mean.

In Italy, cops sent to the riotings at football games are killed with rocks, knives and steelbars, but they cant shoot. Actually if a cop kills a rioter, even if the guy was endangering his life, he's going to be in trouble. That isnt good, but it shows how different is the mentality about the use of police force here.

I'm used to think that back-up, drawing weapons, etc should be something you use in extreme cases, mostly to avoid the backfire of media. SO when i heard that this cop called backup for a snowball fight, i mostly thought that he was making the police force look neurotic and ridiculous, and giving the press more reasons to complain. And giving the kids a reason to sue the state and make a fuss.

So, yeah, in the end you were right, the cop had a reason to feel endangered and react. It's just a pity that the media stuck their noses in and made the whole thing an issue.

You guys are missing the real issue here. Cops have the WORST customer service job you can possibly get. Most "customers" hate them, and any "customer" could have a gun or a knife. Imagine going to work facing that every day. No thanks.

The lesson here is: don't fuck with somebody who has a gun and who can handcuff you now and sort it out later.

[Junkenstein]

Originally Posted by siric

The lesson here is: don't fuck with somebody who has a gun and who can handcuff you now and sort it out later.

Are you sure they can "sort it out"? They undergo a lot more stress, bureaucratic procedures and legal fuckarounds than any other worker. By simply doing they're job they're accused of police brutality, racism, profiling, abuse of power and anything the liberal press can think of. And for any diòpshit out there that gets hurt by a police officer, there's a thousand scumbag lawyer that will make their living by fucking them in the ass.

You know, the more i think about, the more i'm on their side.

Ok, Keith Malley and Chemda Khalili, you made me change my mind.

Not you, Grapist, you're a condescending sillygoose. I fart on your silly condescending nose.