1239: Crazy Awesome

DWarrior · 08-25-2010, 12:58 AM

Who watches the Jersey Shore ironically? I watch it because it's a good show. I like Seinfeld, but I neither watch it ironically nor because I glorify their lifestyle. I just watch it because it's a fucking awesome show.

I think if the show is such a huge success, then The Situation deserves $60k per episode, because he's basically the keystone figure of the show. Whether unwittingly or not, he turns Jersey Shore into a sitcom. He has the perfect mix of arrogance and likability for a show about jerkoffs, and I don't think the show would be successful without him. Other characters definitely help (Pauly D, Snookie, JWoww are all important to the show), but I think The Situation is the catalyst that ultimately defines Jersey Shore.

ragingindie · 08-25-2010, 02:50 AM

Hate to be the lesbian crying homophobia -but Keith didn't want to have lunch with that guy because he sounds faggy. So Keith is fine with gay guys as long as they act a certain way around him. That's homophobia. And his theme song is about fucking in the ass? So what? If someone read your show titles and judged you from that, it wouldn't be a true indication of your personalities necessarily.

Saying that, i don't actually care, but i do think the other guy has every right to find that insulting and to send a big fuck you in response.

DWarrior · 08-25-2010, 03:33 AM

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Originally Posted by ragingindie

Hate to be the lesbian crying homophobia -but Keith didn't want to have lunch with that guy because he sounds faggy. So Keith is fine with gay guys as long as they act a certain way around him. That's homophobia. And his theme song is about fucking in the ass? So what? If someone read your show titles and judged you from that, it wouldn't be a true indication of your personalities necessarily.

Saying that, i don't actually care, but i do think the other guy has every right to find that insulting and to send a big fuck you in response.

So if some white guy dressed like a thug and carried around a huge boombox, and I was embarrassed to be seen around him, but he also happened to be gay, would that make me a homophobe? Or is Keith's embarrassment homophobic because the extreme flamboyance is directly linked to gay culture? I disagree. Just like you can dislike certain aspects of nerd culture and not be anti-intellectual, I think you can dislike certain aspects of gay culture and not be homophobic. But, I'm not gay so I'm not sensitive to the issues.

censorshipwreck · 08-25-2010, 03:33 AM

Haven't had a chance to listen yet, but it sounds to me like Keith doesn't like the way somebody acts, not their sexual preference. If a straight guy acted faggy, he likely still wouldn't have lunch with him -because of the way he acts, not his preference.

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Originally Posted by ragingindie

Keith didn't want to have lunch with that guy because he sounds faggy. So Keith is fine with gay guys as long as they act a certain way around him. That's homophobia.

ragingindie · 08-25-2010, 04:13 AM

But i presume the guy is acting that way because he's gay. that's generally the way it goes. So Keith just has a problem with a person being themselves, if that means they are flamboyant. That sounds pretty homophobic.

Like i said, i don't really care enough to get involved in a long-running argument - i can just see it from the other guys perspective, and i understand why he wouldn't want anything to do with Keith. It's still a personal insult, even if it's not homophobic.

Also, just want to point out that even though i think what Keith did/is saying is in this instance is homophobic, i don't actually believe that Keith is in general. I think he's actually pretty progressive in that regard, especially compared with other macho men men his age/background.

DWarrior · 08-25-2010, 04:34 AM

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Originally Posted by ragingindie

But i presume the guy is acting that way because he's gay. that's generally the way it goes. So Keith just has a problem with a person being themselves, if that means they are flamboyant. That sounds pretty homophobic.

You can dislike someone for being themselves, sure.

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Like i said, i don't really care enough to get involved in a long-running argument - i can just see it from the other guys perspective, and i understand why he wouldn't want anything to do with Keith. It's still a personal insult, even if it's not homophobic.

Which I was going to edit, but figure I'd leave for later. The guy can obviously be offended for Keith not accepting him (and obviously he should take it personally...because it's his personality Keith dislikes). But that doesn't make Keith a homophobe, just a person who doesn't like to be around flamboyant men.

If you call disliking any aspect of a gay person "homophobia", then the term gets really diluted to not be very meaningful. Reserve it for parents who disown their gay kids, opponents of gay marriage, and all the other terrible genuinely homophobic things people feel.

Junkenstein · 08-25-2010, 05:44 AM

I never perceived Keith's dislike of flamboyant homosexuals as homophobia.

I know gay people who do not like extremely flamboyant homosexuals, does that make them homophobes. And to make things fair, since we're only talking about gay males, there's a bunch of lesbian femnales who dislike the "bull dyke" acting lesbians that enforce the stereotypes.

A lot of black people dont like othger black people who push black stereotypes, does that make them racist?

I think the main point for me is that whenever a homosexual acts openly flamboyant and provocative towards me (and this happens when i clear up that i'm straight, generally) i feel like some act like that to test me/provoke me feeling free to solicit no reaction from my part, since if i react, i'm automatically a homophobe. If any racial person (and i include obnoxious guidos too) started harassing me and i reacted, lots of thgem would use the race card. And that's cowardly.

That's all.

DWarrior · 08-25-2010, 05:57 AM

or constantly catcall and hit on lesbian chicks, and when they react adversely...straightophooooooobes!

Snarky · 08-25-2010, 10:08 AM

MMMM Pizza. :n)

beerchick · 08-25-2010, 03:10 PM

I think it's funny how in the south they call giant flying roaches "palmetto bugs" to make them sound cuter.

Roaches are the most vile creature I've encountered - the big ones have literally charged at me when I've gone to squish them. I have stepped on one before until it's guts came out and an hour later it was gone.

If you try to kill a roach, always make sure you do the twisty motion with your foot - back and forth repeatedly until they are almost unrecognizable. You also have to do this because you need to make sure you are killing any eggs or babies it might be carrying around with it. Maybe that's just something I made up in my head but you can never be too careful with these things.

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08-25-2010, 12:58 AM	#1 (permalink)
DWarrior Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 4,046	Who watches the Jersey Shore ironically? I watch it because it's a good show. I like Seinfeld, but I neither watch it ironically nor because I glorify their lifestyle. I just watch it because it's a fucking awesome show. I think if the show is such a huge success, then The Situation deserves $60k per episode, because he's basically the keystone figure of the show. Whether unwittingly or not, he turns Jersey Shore into a sitcom. He has the perfect mix of arrogance and likability for a show about jerkoffs, and I don't think the show would be successful without him. Other characters definitely help (Pauly D, Snookie, JWoww are all important to the show), but I think The Situation is the catalyst that ultimately defines Jersey Shore.
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08-25-2010, 02:50 AM	#2 (permalink)
ragingindie Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Brisbane Posts: 99	Hate to be the lesbian crying homophobia -but Keith didn't want to have lunch with that guy because he sounds faggy. So Keith is fine with gay guys as long as they act a certain way around him. That's homophobia. And his theme song is about fucking in the ass? So what? If someone read your show titles and judged you from that, it wouldn't be a true indication of your personalities necessarily. Saying that, i don't actually care, but i do think the other guy has every right to find that insulting and to send a big fuck you in response.
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08-25-2010, 04:13 AM	#5 (permalink)
ragingindie Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Brisbane Posts: 99	But i presume the guy is acting that way because he's gay. that's generally the way it goes. So Keith just has a problem with a person being themselves, if that means they are flamboyant. That sounds pretty homophobic. Like i said, i don't really care enough to get involved in a long-running argument - i can just see it from the other guys perspective, and i understand why he wouldn't want anything to do with Keith. It's still a personal insult, even if it's not homophobic. Also, just want to point out that even though i think what Keith did/is saying is in this instance is homophobic, i don't actually believe that Keith is in general. I think he's actually pretty progressive in that regard, especially compared with other macho men men his age/background.
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08-25-2010, 05:44 AM	#7 (permalink)
Junkenstein Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Northern Italy (No Guidos Here) Posts: 6,784	I never perceived Keith's dislike of flamboyant homosexuals as homophobia. I know gay people who do not like extremely flamboyant homosexuals, does that make them homophobes. And to make things fair, since we're only talking about gay males, there's a bunch of lesbian femnales who dislike the "bull dyke" acting lesbians that enforce the stereotypes. A lot of black people dont like othger black people who push black stereotypes, does that make them racist? I think the main point for me is that whenever a homosexual acts openly flamboyant and provocative towards me (and this happens when i clear up that i'm straight, generally) i feel like some act like that to test me/provoke me feeling free to solicit no reaction from my part, since if i react, i'm automatically a homophobe. If any racial person (and i include obnoxious guidos too) started harassing me and i reacted, lots of thgem would use the race card. And that's cowardly. That's all.
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08-25-2010, 05:57 AM	#8 (permalink)
DWarrior Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: NYC Posts: 4,046	or constantly catcall and hit on lesbian chicks, and when they react adversely...straightophooooooobes!
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08-25-2010, 10:08 AM	#9 (permalink)
Snarky Member Join Date: Jun 2010 Location: Kansas City, MO Posts: 54	MMMM Pizza. :n)
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08-25-2010, 03:10 PM	#10 (permalink)
beerchick Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 256	I think it's funny how in the south they call giant flying roaches "palmetto bugs" to make them sound cuter. Roaches are the most vile creature I've encountered - the big ones have literally charged at me when I've gone to squish them. I have stepped on one before until it's guts came out and an hour later it was gone. If you try to kill a roach, always make sure you do the twisty motion with your foot - back and forth repeatedly until they are almost unrecognizable. You also have to do this because you need to make sure you are killing any eggs or babies it might be carrying around with it. Maybe that's just something I made up in my head but you can never be too careful with these things.
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