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[Blitzgal]

Originally Posted by DWarrior

First off, lick my nuts.

Oh my!

[Grapist]

Originally Posted by DWarrior

I think Micah was confusing the Iraq war with the "war" on terrorism. It was a big thing in the 9/11 insurance lawsuit that eventually ruled the bombings weren't acts of war and so the owner got to collect insurance.

The reason we're probably not holding a huge parade is the war was never in our proximity. World Wars, Civil Wars, etc all meant that the losing side would basically get shafted, and so the civilians on the winning side rejoiced because they won't be getting fucked over. This wasn't really the case with the Iraq war, so not much to celebrate publicly. Also, the "war" part (toppling Saddam's regime) finished pretty quickly, all this time it's been reconstruction and fending off insurgents. Also, Americans are obviously skeptical because it's been promised for so long.

As far as "were we at war," not technically. The Congress didn't make an official declaration of war. Neither were the Vietnam War nor the Civil War.

I think the reason the US has troops in Germany is not for occupation, but because part of the deal was that Germany isn't allowed to have a standing army, so it has other countries defending it. The US has stationed troops in different countries, not necessarily because of occupation.

That's Japan you are thinking of.

[Blitzgal]

We're also never going to leave Iraq. Just look at our embassy in Baghdad:

U.S. Embassy, Baghdad - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Cretaceous Bob]

There's two ways a war can end: 1) one side leaves entirely, 2) conflict ends.

An incomplete withdrawal is not the former, so the only way the Iraq War can be over is if the latter requirement has been fulfilled. In which case, Bush ended the Iraq War, not Obama.

This is a really shitty attempt by Obama to exploit the natural lifespan of war to belatedly cash in on a 2006 promise by the Democratic party that was never carried through. We asked you to stop the war in 2006; waiting until you've done all you wanted to and then leaving isn't what we fucking asked for.

Originally Posted by DWarrior

First off, lick my nuts.

Second, "War" is a national action, so yes I think the government (which runs the nation) has a say in what we should consider the war to be. That said, you can still differentiate between a formal war and a large-scale conflict that is a war even though it's not formally a war.

"War" as a legal term and "war" as an English word are two different things. Nobody is the least bit inaccurate in calling the Iraq War the Iraq War.

[Dean from Australia]

Wasn't the whole Iraq thing an invasion?

[punk'n]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

Dear New York City,

Please don't give me babies, bedbugs, or the clap.

love and see you soon,
Sparez

Seconded!!!

[DWarrior]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

There's two ways a war can end: 1) one side leaves entirely, 2) conflict ends.

An incomplete withdrawal is not the former, so the only way the Iraq War can be over is if the latter requirement has been fulfilled. In which case, Bush ended the Iraq War, not Obama.

This is a really shitty attempt by Obama to exploit the natural lifespan of war to belatedly cash in on a 2006 promise by the Democratic party that was never carried through. We asked you to stop the war in 2006; waiting until you've done all you wanted to and then leaving isn't what we fucking asked for.

To be fair, Obama couldn't do much to stop the war back in 06.

"War" as a legal term and "war" as an English word are two different things. Nobody is the least bit inaccurate in calling the Iraq War the Iraq War.

But Micah's comment was along the lines of "were we ever technically in a war?"

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by DWarrior

To be fair, Obama couldn't do much to stop the war back in 06.

Well, for starters, he probably could have voted for things that mandated troop withdrawal. You know, instead of voting against them. And then voting for things that amounted to, "You should maybe probably kind of get our people out of Iraq eventually, Mr. President.... okay we said what they wanted to hear don't listen to us"

Obama was never really for leaving Iraq, just like a good portion of the Democratic party. And it certainly looks like he wants an even bigger piece of the war pie, what with getting his own troop "surge" and firing missiles into Pakistan while laughing at the idea of respecting international borders.

Originally Posted by DWarrior

But Micah's comment was along the lines of "were we ever technically in a war?"

You were responding to France guy with what I quoted from you. He was clearly referring to it as the general English word. He was probably off context by doing so, but he still wasn't wrong in his definition of "war".

[DWarrior]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

You were responding to France guy with what I quoted from you. He was clearly referring to it as the general English word. He was probably off context by doing so, but he still wasn't wrong in his definition of "war".

I was actually responding to him responding to me and calling me a sheep because I bought into the government's deception. He wasn't wrong on using the word "war," but he can still suck my nuts.

[Cretaceous Bob]

Indeed, his mouth does need nuts in it.