1340: Stand Up

[rodimusprime]

Originally Posted by SoFocused

Can you just get to your point? Or are you waiting for me to say "yes"





yes

I can't lie. I think it went over my head too. Were you being sarcastic in the first post or something?

[mcbane89]

Originally Posted by SoFocused

*chose not to listen*

and an obvious rebuttal:

This isn't only Keith and Chemda's show, it's also the fans' show for the very choice you pointed out. Every host (especially podcast hosts) would do well to remember that

This is incorrect, and frankly ridiculous to believe, is my point.

[SoFocused]

Originally Posted by mcbane89

This is incorrect, and frankly ridiculous to believe, is my point.

Then let me clarify

This is Keith and Chemda's show, but without the fans the show is nothing. The fans are just as vital to the show as what the two of them decide they can or can't do to the show. That is not arguable.

Does this mean that Keith and Chemda are completely incapable of making their own decisions for what the listeners can and can't listen to? No. But they have to remember that they are supposed to make any decisions with the fans in mind, not based off of any personal feelings or grudges against other people.

I felt they don't always do this so I stopped listening pure and simple.

*goes back to the shadows from whence he came*

[rodimusprime]

Originally Posted by SoFocused

Then let me clarify

This is Keith and Chemda's show, but without the fans the show is nothing. The fans are just as vital to the show as what the two of them decide they can or can't do to the show. That is not arguable.

Does this mean that Keith and Chemda are completely incapable of making their own decisions for what the listeners can and can't listen to? No. But they have to remember that they are supposed to make any decisions with the fans in mind, not based off of any personal feelings or grudges against other people.

I felt they don't always do this so I stopped listening pure and simple.

*goes back to the shadows from whence he came*

I think that is arguable. And I think you're wrong. Have you ever created something for consumption for the masses? It's not as cut and dry as that.

[arty]

Originally Posted by SoFocused

I felt they don't always do this so I stopped listening pure and simple.

And yet you still read the forums, go figure.

[Blitzgal]

Originally Posted by arty

And yet you still read the forums, go figure.

Because it's all about the flouncing with these dipshits.

[mcbane89]

Originally Posted by SoFocused

Then let me clarify

This is Keith and Chemda's show, but without the fans the show is nothing. The fans are just as vital to the show as what the two of them decide they can or can't do to the show. That is not arguable.

Does this mean that Keith and Chemda are completely incapable of making their own decisions for what the listeners can and can't listen to? No. But they have to remember that they are supposed to make any decisions with the fans in mind, not based off of any personal feelings or grudges against other people.

I felt they don't always do this so I stopped listening pure and simple.

*goes back to the shadows from whence he came*

Excellent points. You know what I just realized too, and maybe this has happened to you, but I don't seem to have been getting my invites to the production meetings. I know this is an oversight, as how am I supposed to provide my input on guests, advertisers, and events, if I'm not at these meetings for my show?! I'm vital! Hell, I don't have to be there for the 12 hour work days, just carry on as usual, and maybe clear a good 5 minutes a day where I can sign off on things, as I do have a life. Also, and this is a real headscratcher, my paypal seems to be sending money to KATG, and not receiving money from them, which makes no sense, because as a co-owner of the show I am entitled to a share of the profits. Now, some smartass might point out that if I want a cut of the profits I should probably be taking on my fair share of rent, and production costs, but this person would be an idiot. This person would not understand that my vitality is such that I would only be involved in the big picture, the rudder that steers the vessel so to speak, and for this I am entitled to all the spoils, but not to the trivial matters like "real life"... which if you look at my contract with KATG includes things such as "work" and "rent". In fact I like to look at the show as if I was Caeser, and the people involved were fools attempting to entertain me. What do I care if their beliefs, ideals, and dignity get trampled upon? I'm Caeser! Entertain me dammit!

Your points are very arguable because you're taking one semi-valid point, and trying to extend it to a ridiculously selfish conclusion that is entirely unrelated to it. That fans are important to a show is true, but that does not lead to the conclusion that this importance extends to every facet of a show and the lives and principles of the hosts. A show may be more inclusive of it's fans than others, and want fans to enjoy a more interactive experience than others, but the basic relationship between fan and show still remains the same - the fans belief about what is best for the show is superceded by what the creators (aka the people ultimately responsible for the show) think is best. But really at this point why keep up the bullshit that this is about "the fans"? That this is somehow your attempt to champion the cause of the fan against a system that is broken, as if you were the Spartacus of KATG leading the revolt? No, this is about you. This is about believing that because you have given the valuable gift of your fandom, implying that you are getting nothing of value in return (which I guess could be true because they give the shows away for free), that this valuable commodity can be traded against the show as a whole, and you at some point will collect on this debt. Because the show owes you who gives a fuck if someone comes in a shits all over Keith and Chemda as long as you're being entertained? Who cares if someone comes in and violates an agreement they had with Keith and Chemda because you find them funny? And how dare Keith and Chemda selfishly stand up for themsleves, if it will impede upon your selfish idea of what the show should be? This is the entitlement I was speaking of in my original post, and I hate to be the one to break it to you but your opinion doesn't always matter. If you actually think that as a fan you are just as important to the show, or that because they have fans to think of (which is retarded anyway because a shitload of fans agreed with them booting Danny and Myka which means, again, we're talking about you) Keith and Chemda can't make decisions based on personal feelings or beliefs (I believe you called them grudges), but you can, then you need to get a fucking clue and go live in the real world for awhile.

[Junkenstein]

Originally Posted by SoFocused

This is Keith and Chemda's show, but without the fans the show is nothing. The fans are just as vital to the show as what the two of them decide they can or can't do to the show. That is not arguable.

maybe that worked in the early days, but nowadays the show is poplar enough that they could easily live without the "fans", if by "fans" wer mean the bunch of obsessive weirdos who judge their every move.

i keep fhearing people who still think that the show cannot live without pandering to whatever a bunch of basement dwelling nitwits decide. But thank god they have went beyond that retarded "cult" thing and became POPULAR. they have a large audience now. and they can do whatever the fuck they want (although they always could) and they can also tell you to fuck off ig you dont like it and go on without you.

if it wasnt like that, they wouldnt even have survived the breakup with the moronig backlash it got them.

Thank god they have sponsors and can be people with happy lives instead of being puppets that have to justify themselves to people like you.

[kat666]

Originally Posted by dannyhatch

Hey, also, whatever happened to Spooky? WHAT DID YOU DO TO HIM, KEITH AND CHEMDA?

What did happen to Spooky? Is he on twitter?

[jamesmorison2011]

I don't like when people are ofending the others.