1340: Stand Up

[RAMichel]

Originally Posted by picard102

Ah, you're one of those people. Sorry to tell you, this isn't the debate club, so you'll have a hard time dealing with how people operate here.

Again, no one but you cares that you want to debate with them over their opinions. But feel free to spin your wheels until you burn out.

If you think backing up your opinions is only something you do in debate club, I feel sorry for whatever thoughts mull around in your head. I wasn't aware it was a vice to have reasoning behind your decisions, and to voice those so others can understand whatever the fuck you're thinking.

I'm not trying to prove people wrong, and I'm not arguing against them. I want to to know why they think that way, so maybe I can get at least the smallest inkling of why in the world those words came out of their mouthes. They might have a point, but I have no fucking clue what that is until they tell me why or what fuels it, and so their opinions are useless. What makes you think they can't change my mind if they actually have good reasoning behind it? If anything, you're the one making yourself out to be a stubborn egoist that can't handle the idea of somehow having a falsely-based opinion.

[Aristokat]

Originally Posted by RAMichel

Earlier in the thread somebody made a similar analogy to a person serving jail time for breaking the law, but I don't see you attacking them for the difference between law enforcement and a "podcaster-audience relationship."

They do not keep asking why their analogy sucks (I think you have at least seven or eight times). I understand your analogy, but I understand why people are saying that a doesn't follow b--there is a lot more emotion behind a parent saying no (a history, if you will) rather than a couple of people on some podcast you may or may not listen to daily. Just let it go, man, let it go.

[picard102]

Originally Posted by RAMichel

I feel sorry

I feel sorry that you think this is your intellectual playhouse. Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by RAMichel

I'm not trying to prove people wrong, and I'm not arguing against them. I want to to know why they think that way, so maybe I can get at least the smallest inkling of why in the world those words came out of their mouthes.

Right, you're just trying to understand people. What better way to do that then to aggressively demand they explain themselves, then insult them. Bravo.

[RAMichel]

Originally Posted by Aristokat

They do not keep asking why their analogy sucks (I think you have at least seven or eight times). I understand your analogy, but I understand why people are saying that a doesn't follow b--there is a lot more emotion behind a parent saying no (a history, if you will) rather than a couple of people on some podcast you may or may not listen to daily. Just let it go, man, let it go.

What makes you think that Keith and Chemda weren't fully emotionally involved (to the point of an angered parent, or teacher, or anybody else in a similar position) in not having Myka mention CR? I'm not saying they were, but you have no reason to make such an assumption. You're trying to over-literalize the words rather than the meaning in order to prove a point. Give me a better analogy that harbors the same idea without the apparent incongruousness, and I'll use it. How's about this: The people who are voting for K&C being bullies are probably also the people who thought their teachers were bullies when they got detention for speaking out of line in class.

All I've been "going on about" is that people make ridiculous statements to express an opinion they have without thinking about the reasons that need to drive it.

Originally Posted by picard102

Right, you're just trying to understand people. What better way to do that then to aggressively demand they explain themselves, then insult them. Bravo.

First off, I hope you see the irony in the entirety of your post.

If there's a better way to do it, please tell me, I'm all ears. So far asking nicely and aggressiveness hasn't worked, so I'm curious if you have some sort of magic phrase that gets people to act rationally.

[rylake]

I would assume that Myka is paid to do comical radio, and not paid to appear on KATG. That makes it an easy decision. I know I would choose the money as well.

Hopefully they work it out, because I enjoy her as a guest.

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by RAMichel

If there's a better way to do it, please tell me

show us your balls.

[dannyhatch]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

show us your balls.

I did it; it's easy!!!

[ragingindie]

Originally Posted by numsenbar

That's exactly the weird thing. Myka may not mention her radioshow but it's Keith who can't stop rambling about Lobell. Calling him is e.g. not a great idea if you don't want to promote him.

No no no no, don't lump me in with your three post bullshit. He isn't rambling about Danny, and i think they are doing the right thing by standing up for themselves. It's just an unfortunate byproduct of doing this, and that rankles me. That DL is getting any publicity is annoying to me, but Keith and Chemda are doing what they think is best, and that's fine.

[Aristokat]

Originally Posted by RAMichel

What makes you think that Keith and Chemda weren't fully emotionally involved (to the point of an angered parent, or teacher, or anybody else in a similar position) in not having Myka mention CR? I'm not saying they were, but you have no reason to make such an assumption. You're trying to over-literalize the words rather than the meaning in order to prove a point. Give me a better analogy that harbors the same idea without the apparent incongruousness, and I'll use it. How's about this: The people who are voting for K&C being bullies are probably also the people who thought their teachers were bullies when they got detention for speaking out of line in class.

All I've been "going on about" is that people make ridiculous statements to express an opinion they have without thinking about the reasons that need to drive it.

Okay, I've learned my first KATG Forum lesson: don't engage a moron. I imagine this is why I'm the only one who tried to explain it to you.

Your comparison was not about how Myka may have felt, it was how the audience may have felt. Myka may have felt that way about her parents and K+C, but THAT IS WHY YOUR ANALOGY SUCKS, because people are judging from outside the situation, not inside the situation as they would if their parents were bullying/not bullying them. Come up with some analogy about people who get butthurt and offended on behalf of other people, and then you'll be cooking.

[RAMichel]

Originally Posted by Aristokat

Okay, I've learned my first KATG Forum lesson: don't engage a moron. I imagine this is why I'm the only one who tried to explain it to you.

Your comparison was not about how Myka may have felt, it was how the audience may have felt. Myka may have felt that way about her parents and K+C, but THAT IS WHY YOUR ANALOGY SUCKS, because people are judging from outside the situation, not inside the situation as they would if their parents were bullying/not bullying them. Come up with some analogy about people who get butthurt and offended on behalf of other people, and then you'll be cooking.

Cute. I wonder if you treat other people who ask questions the same way. Though I do appreciate you having the tenacity to at least voice your opinion fully and robustly (for the most part). You could've done without the moron bit, because again, you're voicing an opinion without pointing out why you think that way. Tell me why you think I'm a moron, and that'll give it some validity. EDIT: That, and maybe I'll know why you think I'm a moron, and it might give me reason to change the way I do things.

You make a valid point, even though it's more your nit-pickyness at the wording rather than actually gathering at the meaning. "The people who voted for K&C as bullies probably think the same about parents who ground their children for cursing when the child knows they shouldn't." Better?