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Keith 03-07-2011 10:33 PM

1349: Six Years Down
 
"You guys both deserve to get away from each other."


Official Site of Comedian Myq Kaplan

Rhian 03-07-2011 11:17 PM

Congratulations and thank you for 6 years!

DWarrior 03-07-2011 11:36 PM

Are robots rallying against the anniversary show?

ThePinkSuperhero 03-08-2011 09:53 AM

If you don't hear things in, I dunno, two weeks, you should send it again. Carpet bomb, baby! Send it to everybody on the board, send it to everybody who runs the place, call on the phone and send it to every single person you talk to until you hear back! JUSTICE!

stevo8523 03-08-2011 09:54 AM

Creamy peanut butter....Winning!

beerchick 03-08-2011 10:08 AM

Congrats Keith and Cat
 
Okay so 58 minutes into the show now and two mentions that Keith got married - I'm going to take it that congratulations are in order, otherwise I am now the butt of a joke that reveals itself later in the show. Ah wells, I'll take the risk. I wish the best and am very happy for you both - cheers!

ThePinkSuperhero 03-08-2011 10:20 AM

Also, two people that have been on TV with Myq Kaplan have passed away. Perhaps he is the Angel of Death. Look out, Keith and Chemda. Bring another comic on the show, just to cover your bases.

littlp 03-08-2011 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by beerchick (Post 694458)
Okay so 58 minutes into the show now and two mentions that Keith got married - I'm going to take it that congratulations are in order, otherwise I am now the butt of a joke that reveals itself later in the show. Ah wells, I'll take the risk. I wish the best and am very happy for you both - cheers!

I noticed that too and Myq even tried to get Keith to say it again but he seemed to gloss over it. I almost have a feeling that either they are just screwing with us a little because there have been rumors that he got married or something else. Just found it odd that it was definitely sad but not elaborated on.

Junkenstein 03-08-2011 12:21 PM

he said on twitter that he isnt married and it came out wrong.

Keith 03-08-2011 12:24 PM

Junkenstein! Those are my Twitter secrets!

Junkenstein 03-08-2011 12:28 PM

oops.

Blitzgal 03-08-2011 12:38 PM

Who specifically did you send the complaint letter to? Consumerist blog has a good rundown of how to "launch an executive email carpet bomb." I apologize in advance; I realize this advice is probably too late.

How To Launch An Executive Email Carpet Bomb - The Consumerist

Junkenstein 03-08-2011 01:18 PM

i wish it could do good things , it would be a first. never wrote a letter to a big company and got an answer. although thye airline that had issues with kevin smith did apologize to him after he started the fuss.

weird my parents also blamed me for their broken marriage and also for NOT ebing able to divorce (while they're still just seprarated). i think that made me anti-marriage.

Blitzgal 03-08-2011 01:24 PM

I don't know the stats, but Consumerist posts success stories. Most recent one was a landlord who wasn't going to fix a tenant's leaky ceiling for five months. Main points are to go after their bottom line, which I think Keith did in his letter by mentioning that he's relaying this problem on his radio program. It depends on how seriously they take threats of bad word of mouth.

Landlord Wouldn't Fix Leak For 5 Months. This Letter Got Him To Do It in 5 Days. - The Consumerist

This article advises that you start through official channels, which it sounds like Keith did. You escalate when you get no response.

http://www.frommers.com/articles/6806.html

This is the consumer wiki mentioned in the above article, for Continental. (if he wants to escalate):

http://onyoursi.de/wiki/travel/airli...ntal-airlines/

starscream 03-08-2011 01:28 PM

Can Lucas' silence rule be enforced during the show too? He's a one man laugh track.

Junkenstein 03-08-2011 01:40 PM

same comment i did for kyle: i like hearing him crack up.

starscream 03-08-2011 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkenstein (Post 694474)
same comment i did for kyle: i like hearing him crack up.

I guess he's no Kyle.

Blitzgal 03-08-2011 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkenstein (Post 694474)
same comment i did for kyle: i like hearing him crack up.


Me, too!

Junkenstein 03-08-2011 02:31 PM

allow me to add that my love for the awesomeness that is Myq Kaplan continues to grow.

Blitzgal 03-08-2011 02:45 PM

From what I've read on Gawker, the kiddie porn book included explicit photos of the author touching children. It was NOT just "words."

It's also why I do not accept the rationalization that viewing kiddie porn images is a victimless crime. Real children are assaulted to create the images that other pedophiles share. So frankly I don't give a shit if guy A only looks at pictures on the internet. He is creating a market in which guy B exploits and assaults children to provide the product that guy A wants.

stulagu 03-08-2011 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by beerchick (Post 694458)
Okay so 58 minutes into the show now and two mentions that Keith got married - I'm going to take it that congratulations are in order, otherwise I am now the butt of a joke that reveals itself later in the show. Ah wells, I'll take the risk. I wish the best and am very happy for you both - cheers!

he said he was dating Kat with a quick little comment at the end of a show...I think he is married and his twitter is a red herring. Is there a way you can accidentally say you're married when you aren't married?

Junkenstein 03-08-2011 03:03 PM

ok, you got him. he actually has 3 kids and has really moved to scotland. and cat is a man.

stulagu 03-08-2011 03:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkenstein (Post 694483)
ok, you got him. he actually has 3 kids and has really moved to scotland. and cat is a man.

He said ALL OF THAT on the show? I must have missed it...where did he SAY THAT ON THE SHOW? Funny, how I just believe things out of the air with no one actually SAYING it...yes, ON THE SHOW.

Junkenstein 03-08-2011 03:10 PM

hes a jazz host yuou should listen to what he's NOT saying.

he also joined the KKK.

stulagu 03-08-2011 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkenstein (Post 694485)
hes a jazz host yuou should listen to what he's NOT saying.

he also joined the KKK.

hmmm, I'm thinking sarcasm doesn't work for you....

Junkenstein 03-08-2011 03:15 PM

nah, im stupid. i dont get jokes.

stulagu 03-08-2011 03:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkenstein (Post 694487)
nah, im stupid. i dont get jokes.

oh ok, thanks for clearing that up, for a while there I couldn't figure out why you would infer I was stupid for believing something Keith said because I tend to believe people when they state facts and was basing my thoughts on previous experiences.

myq 03-08-2011 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Junkenstein (Post 694477)
allow me to add that my love for the awesomeness that is Myq Kaplan continues to grow.

Allowable.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blitzgal (Post 694480)
From what I've read on Gawker, the kiddie porn book included explicit photos of the author touching children. It was NOT just "words."

It's also why I do not accept the rationalization that viewing kiddie porn images is a victimless crime. Real children are assaulted to create the images that other pedophiles share. So frankly I don't give a shit if guy A only looks at pictures on the internet. He is creating a market in which guy B exploits and assaults children to provide the product that guy A wants.

Two things...

1) If there are pictures of naked kids in the book, agreed that that is worse and more worthy of being illegal than just words. (But then I would still say, why is it "obscenity laws," and not "child pornography laws," unless that is indeed what it is, in which case I'm on board.)

2) What do you think about the idea of computer-generated pictures of naked kids? Where real children are NOT assaulted. (Sort of the opposite of an organic, free range, locally grown situation--all artificial, no children were harmed in the making of this porn.) I believe that stuff exists and that there have been legal battles over whether it should be allowable. (It would probably be easy for me to google it in the time it takes for me to say how easy it would be, but I didn't. Thoughts or facts, anyone?)

stulagu 03-08-2011 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by myq (Post 694490)
What do you think about the idea of computer-generated pictures of naked kids? Where real children are NOT assaulted. (Sort of the opposite of an organic, free range, locally grown situation--all artificial, no children were harmed in the making of this porn.) I believe that stuff exists and that there have been legal battles over whether it should be allowable. (It would probably be easy for me to google it in the time it takes for me to say how easy it would be, but I didn't. Thoughts or facts, anyone?)

I still have a problem with kiddie porn if it is animated. Can't it just be one of those things where everyone agrees that it is really wrong and shouldn't be depicted in any way? It seems to encourage the thought that it is ok.

I'm trying to think of a comparable and I can't. Even cruelty to animals isn't a crime if it is only animated. Child porn is just on its own level and even when animated is very wrong. WRONG, Myq Kaplan!

myq 03-08-2011 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by stulagu (Post 694492)
I still have a problem with kiddie porn if it is animated. Can't it just be one of those things where everyone agrees that it is really wrong and shouldn't be depicted in any way? It seems to encourage the thought that it is ok.

I'm trying to think of a comparable and I can't. Even cruelty to animals isn't a crime if it is only animated. Child porn is just on its own level and even when animated is very wrong. WRONG, Myq Kaplan!

More questions... what about in art?

Like, you can have a movie where rape is depicted in graphic fashion, yes?
Or you could have paintings of horrible violent acts, right?

Obviously if you had a movie about a pedophile, I could see not wanting to have a real child even pretend to be molested or what have you (though certainly there are movies where children play abused children, and have to say and do things that, even though pretend, might be arguably traumatic), so in such situations, wouldn't an animated child rapee be the lesser of evils?

I mean, part of this question adds the element of "if child porn is illegal but child rape depiction for artistic purposes is not, where do you draw the line" (Keith: 'EVERYWHERE!'), and then we're back to the "I know porn when I see it" ambiguity...

Also, what about this: there's obviously not a lot of research done one what makes there be less pedophilic activity. But we know that there certainly are pedophiles who behave themselves, who keep their unfortunate genetic makeup to themselves, and live out their fantasies in fantasy only (Dan Savage calls them "gold star pedophiles"), and it sucks to be them, but it's great that they do what they do, and don't do what they don't. So my question here is, would having access to CGI child porn make there be more satisfiable gold-star pedos? Or would having that exist make them be more likely to go out looking for the real thing, gateway style? Again, I don't know if this is answerable with no real research able to be conducted ethically, but it seems to me that pedophiles are fantasizing anyway, having no porn available might make them go crazier and seek whatever they can, including real children, as opposed to having the potential outlet of animated fake stuff available.

Just horrible food for gross thought.


PS I am sexually attracted to adults. And arguments.

starscream 03-08-2011 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by myq (Post 694493)
I mean, part of this question adds the element of "if child porn is illegal but child rape depiction for artistic purposes is not, where do you draw the line" (Keith: 'EVERYWHERE!'), and then we're back to the "I know porn when I see it" ambiguity...

I don't want to speak for him, of course, that'd be akin to pedophilia itself, but I think Keith would say why do we need these movies and paintings with child porn in them? Which isn't really a terrible question. What are we (ostensibly non-pedophiles) getting out of that? But alternately, what good is completely ignoring it?

Shananigans 03-08-2011 05:34 PM

Quote:

Also, what about this: there's obviously not a lot of research done one what makes there be less pedophilic activity. But we know that there certainly are pedophiles who behave themselves, who keep their unfortunate genetic makeup to themselves, and live out their fantasies in fantasy only (Dan Savage calls them "gold star pedophiles"), and it sucks to be them, but it's great that they do what they do, and don't do what they don't. So my question here is, would having access to CGI child porn make there be more satisfiable gold-star pedos? Or would having that exist make them be more likely to go out looking for the real thing, gateway style? Again, I don't know if this is answerable with no real research able to be conducted ethically, but it seems to me that pedophiles are fantasizing anyway, having no porn available might make them go crazier and seek whatever they can, including real children, as opposed to having the potential outlet of animated fake stuff available.
This is the problem for me too. I can never work out if the cruelty free child porn should be allowed because it gives the gold star folk a victimless outlet or if it is a bad idea because it will promote their desires.

At the very least if the cruelty free porn can really take off it would mean that a whole bunch of kids would avoid a great deal unpleasantness in the making of kiddie porn.

BrianAlt 03-08-2011 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by stulagu (Post 694486)
hmmm, I'm thinking sarcasm doesn't work for you....

It's the ESL language barrier.

Blitzgal 03-08-2011 08:25 PM

Huh, I thought I posted a correction but I was in a hurry so maybe I didn't save it.

I looked for the original article I *thought* I remembered reading about this book, but I can't find it. Everything I'm reading tonight says there are no photos in this book, which is likely why they depended on the decades-old obscenity laws to charge him with. I still think every private seller such as Amazon should refuse to sell such shit.

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Originally Posted by myq (Post 694493)
Also, what about this: there's obviously not a lot of research done one what makes there be less pedophilic activity. But we know that there certainly are pedophiles who behave themselves, who keep their unfortunate genetic makeup to themselves, and live out their fantasies in fantasy only (Dan Savage calls them "gold star pedophiles"), and it sucks to be them, but it's great that they do what they do, and don't do what they don't. So my question here is, would having access to CGI child porn make there be more satisfiable gold-star pedos? Or would having that exist make them be more likely to go out looking for the real thing, gateway style?


I think historically chemical castration has not been very effective in stopping these people from raping children, so I don't have much faith that providing something to get them aroused and riled up would do any better. And how do we know about these magical pedophiles who never act on their impulses? Again, if they participate in the underground market for kiddie porn, they are still abusing children simply by expanding the market for this product.

stulagu 03-08-2011 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Blitzgal (Post 694516)
I think historically chemical castration has not been very effective in stopping these people from raping children, so I don't have much faith that providing something to get them aroused and riled up would do any better. And how do we know about these magical pedophiles who never act on their impulses? Again, if they participate in the underground market for kiddie porn, they are still abusing children simply by expanding the market for this product.

Magical Pedophiles...I smell a movie title!

The scene from Prince of Tides where the boy is raped is still burned into my brain and will never go away. And I saw it about 10 years ago. Children are innocents, which is why this is such a crime. We are absolutely destroying the spirit and soul of a child, and potentially creating a monster. It is why animal abuse is WAY more horrible than spousal abuse in my book, the animal has no control/though process about the situation. The spouse can at least get the hell out of there. And yes I realize this is a blanket statement, please don't pick it apart. In the purist sense it is true.

I think most studies have shown (and by this I mean Criminal Minds and Law and Order SVU) that pedofiles will eventually act on a human. That they may lie dormant for a while, but they will offend someday. And they will repeat. So why make CGI? This might take someone from a gold star offender to a full blown offender because it is easier to access and easier to spiral down into the sickness.

I do understand the fine line of showing a violent rape in a movie to evoke emotion, but porn is SO different from an artistic movie. No matter how much soft focus and storyline is involved, you're watching the movie to get off. That is the purpose.

dark_lobo 03-08-2011 10:05 PM

I believe I found the answer to Keith's airline problem, write a song! ...and have it go viral
It worked for some dude, he had a problem with United Airlines (they mishandled his $3500 guitar, on arrival to his destination he found his guitar broken)

United Breaks Guitars

In the song he tells every detail of the story, including the names of the people he had to deal with.


DWarrior 03-08-2011 10:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dark_lobo (Post 694522)
I believe I found the answer to Keith's airline problem, write a song! ...and have it go viral
It worked for some dude, he had a problem with United Airlines (they mishandled his $3500 guitar, on arrival to his destination he found his guitar broken)

United Breaks Guitars

In the song he tells every detail of the story, including the names of the people he had to deal with.


Did this really work? From the song video I saw a while ago, the guy said to that day United hasn't admitted any wrongdoing and hasn't done anything for him.

alannanana 03-08-2011 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by myq (Post 694493)
Again, I don't know if this is answerable with no real research able to be conducted ethically, but it seems to me that pedophiles are fantasizing anyway, having no porn available might make them go crazier and seek whatever they can, including real children, as opposed to having the potential outlet of animated fake stuff available.

Or we can just hand them a copy of Lolita under the condition that they keep their hands to themselves.

DWarrior 03-08-2011 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by starscream (Post 694495)
I don't want to speak for him, of course, that'd be akin to pedophilia itself, but I think Keith would say why do we need these movies and paintings with child porn in them? Which isn't really a terrible question. What are we (ostensibly non-pedophiles) getting out of that? But alternately, what good is completely ignoring it?

Page Jesse Joyce; he's proficient enough in art critique to answer that.

myq 03-08-2011 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Blitzgal (Post 694516)
I think historically chemical castration has not been very effective in stopping these people from raping children, so I don't have much faith that providing something to get them aroused and riled up would do any better. And how do we know about these magical pedophiles who never act on their impulses? Again, if they participate in the underground market for kiddie porn, they are still abusing children simply by expanding the market for this product.

Question: do you have stats on chemical castration and recidivism in pedophiles? Or where do you have the impression that it has not been effective.

And I know about the magic pedophiles from Savage Love, where people have written in to discuss it (anonymously because to do so otherwise would certainly lead to problems, and obviously this anecdotal evidence depends on taking people at their word, but as I understand it, for every pedophile who acts, there are likely some number of those who don't).

Also, about the prevalence of kiddie porn, I don't know how familiar people are with Doug Stanhope's bit about it, but (to paraphrase), he talks about how people complain about how prevalent it is, but that he's never actually found it online, and he's looked for lots of shit, and found lots of other crazy shit, so (something like) "if pedophilia is happening as much as people think, then cock-fingering is happening in this room right now."

And that's not to take away from the fact that (of course) the pedo video market is abusive and exploitative and bad. But nowhere did anyone say that gold star magic pedophiles are participating in it. Maybe some are, which makes them like a silver or bronze star, comparatively, but I would say that some probably aren't. Maybe some of them draw their own kiddie porn caricatures, use it to get off, and then burn it so no one can ever find it.


It seems to me that the answer to the real big question here is impossible to do anything but speculate about: will fake kid porn help fewer kids be molested? Either way, it's a risk.

But it does also seem to me that if child porn is being created all the time, it's because the demand for it exists, and if the system could be infiltrated and that demand could be met by CGI child porn, then fewer actual kids would be actually traumatized by their participation. (Not that I know how to do such an infiltration, or if this seems feasible. Just philosophically, it seems possible.)



PS What if we could figure out which kids were sociopaths from a young age? Like Dexter? And just use them, because they're NOT innocent. Eh? Anyone?


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