1356: Well Enough

[poingjam]

Originally Posted by cheekymonkey

It sounds like Lucas has a million excuses for not getting help, and not helping himself. I've known way too many people like this who, for whatever reason, are too lazy or afraid to initiate positive change. It was driving me crazy hearing so much resistance on his part. No wonder he's so fucking depressed. He's making the conscious decision to be depressed. Ugh. Terrible guest. I'd go nuts if I had to interact with someone like that all the time.

Finally! All the warm, sunny positivity in this thread was giving me sunburn. A dark cloud is useful sometimes.

Thanks for the concern, but y'all don't have to worry about me getting upset over a forums post. I may get mad over one (didn't over this, mostly excited that I finally got a hater), but I'm generally not so badly affected by people I don't know.

Cheekymonkey, I get what you're saying, and I can't really argue with you. The way I feel and the way I believe my mind works is what I said on the show, and if you see it differently, hell, you may be right. I was convinced for years that I was stupid, and learned as an adult that I'm not. Maybe I'm just convinced that I'm depressed. Probably not, but maybe.

[Junkenstein]

see asunseeker? hes not fragile.

[dEadERest]

Originally Posted by poingjam

Probably not, but maybe.

winning

[marina]

Originally Posted by Blitzgal

And don't forget s/he also added that Lucas is "making the conscious decision to be depressed" AND called his/her post "tiny violin."

Hey cheekymonkey, it's a brain chemistry thing, you fucking halfwit.

While I don't agree with cheekymonkey's tone, I do feel that her statement has merit. Yeah it's a brain chemistry thing, which is totally not his fault, but Lucas is flat out refusing to get help for himself.

Just because someone has an illness doesn't meant that they lose all personal responsibility.

They way I see it, if Lucas isn't going to seek help for himself, that's his loss (probably literally). But if someone does feel compelled to point out how shitty that is, they're not a troll. A little controlling and nosy? Yes, but isn't that why we're all here?

[Blitzgal]

She got the same level of respect she provided. If she's upset that I called her a halfwit I've got a tiny violin for her.

[asunseeker]

Originally Posted by poingjam

Finally! All the warm, sunny positivity in this thread was giving me sunburn. A dark cloud is useful sometimes.

Thanks for the concern, but y'all don't have to worry about me getting upset over a forums post. I may get mad over one (didn't over this, mostly excited that I finally got a hater), but I'm generally not so badly affected by people I don't know.

Good. I can quit worrying. Not sure why i declared myself Lucas' protector as obviously, he has his head on straight. Thankfully.

[marina]

Originally Posted by Blitzgal

She got the same level of respect she provided. If she's upset that I called her a halfwit I've got a tiny violin for her.

I loled

[jimmubals]

i guess. as i said, i tried and it failed badly. and back then putting expectations into something to get me out of depression and seeing failure after failure was quite shitty.

[dEadERest]

Originally Posted by jimmubals

i guess. as i said, i tried and it failed badly. and back then putting expectations into something to get me out of depression and seeing failure after failure was quite shitty.

Originally Posted by marina

Yeah it's a brain chemistry thing, which is totally not his fault, but Lucas is flat out refusing to get help for himself.

stop being like Lucas.
and welcome
and . .

FFFUUUUUUUCCKKKK YYYYYYOUUUUSSEE

[cheekymonkey]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

Let's not try to pretend that somebody's just being an arbitrary dick. If you're going to ask people to understand the mindset of a depressed person, you're required to understand the mindset of someone who's not familiar with depression.

Fair enough. I'm sorry I came off so harshly, but it's the same level of frustration I have with addicts. There are so many solutions laid out before them, so many awesome possibilities in life, and yet there seem to be an equal amount of excuses for keeping that wall up between them and a more positive future. It drives me fucking nuts, because I have never been inside of that. Some of my favorite people have fallen prey to addiction, or depression, or both. I was in love with, and living with an addict for 5 years, doing everything within my power to help him, focusing a great deal of time, money, and love on him. I have found myself in a pit of SUCH darkness and self-destruction, too, but finally snapped and got to the point where I knew I had to consciously change EVERYTHING. I had to make a conscious change in perspective, lifestyle, surroundings, diet (and everything I put into my body), and clawed my way out. It is so frustrating, and sad, that all of these amazing people with enormous potential aren't clawing their way out for whatever reason. But like I said, I've never been inside their heads.

I'm not saying this applies to Lucas, because I don't know him, but I feel like a lot of people CHOOSE the victim role. Our culture is full of excuses, but it's also full of insensitivity. There's a fine line between whining and brain chemistry. There's also a fine line between being supportive and enabling. I was reading so much "it's not your fault" enabling that I wanted to present this other perspective where maybe will-power may play a role somewhere? But it came out in an incredibly harsh-sounding way. I KNOW you can't just "walk it off," that it's a process.

I feel like Keith and Chemda approached this issue beautifully, in a sensitive manner, and brought up a lot of great questions. I really wish Lucas the best,
and hope that this transformation will come. I truly believe that manifesting positivity is a choice, and a practice.