1372: On the Mark

[DWarrior]

Originally Posted by Montucky Jess Jess

How so? You don't think humans can 'fuck' their problems away?

Who doesn't feel better after getting laid?

How do you suppose we go about instituting cross-breeding in racist areas of the world (ie, everywhere but some coastal parts of certain countries)? The racism has to go away first, then the cross-breeding can ensue.

This is akin to "we shouldn't have wars, dude"

[Junkenstein]

MJJ isnt wrong, but its an unpractical and idealistic belief. Racism is an instinctive thing, a shape of hatred. hatred cannot be removied, not even with education. racism will nhot be eliminated by people's heads. only thingt you can dop is make it as persecuted as murder, pedophilia and other cimes against humanity and decency.

That will not erase it, cause no matter how, there will always be a tendency in people to hate other people for their ethnicity, nation, religion, belief, poltics, sexuality.

Its different shades of the same thing. lighter or stronger. Saying "my country is the best, all other countries are shit" is the same principle as sayin "my skin colour is the best and the others are shit". It's part of human nature and wiull always happen.

Cross-breeding would eliminate race (also mixed race kids are awesome) but there wo9uld be other shapes for racism.

The only way to prevent is to be stern and punish racism in any manifestation, even the most inoffensive. not even when the "freddom of speech" shield is used.

[Cretaceous Bob]

Originally Posted by Montucky Jess Jess

This is interesting. I am personally of the belief that ALL races need to begin cross-breeding and that would help eliminate racism, but also the stupid little things that people hold onto in their respective cultures, religion, etc.

You honestly think getting rid of race would eliminate culture and religion? So, essentially, you believe all cultures and religions are racially motivated? Isn't that kind of racist?

Edit: Oh, by the way, thinking that racism is the only thing that stops people from being one happy homogeneous lovefest is incredibly wrong.

Originally Posted by Junkenstein

The only way to prevent is to be stern and punish racism in any manifestation, even the most inoffensive. not even when the "freddom of speech" shield is used.

No, that's the way you prevent people from seeing racism. Doesn't actually get rid of it. Also most police states that do stuff like that tend to gravitate toward racist, nationalistic ideas, so you kind of have a catch-22 on your hands.

[marina]

The argument that eliminating race will eliminate racism is sort of like the argument behind school uniforms. Which is that getting rid of clothing choice gets rid of bullying, but that's not true. Kids just find more and varied ways to identify groups and ridicule each other. Hate will find a way.

[Junkenstein]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

No, that's the way you prevent people from seeing racism. Doesn't actually get rid of it. Also most police states that do stuff like that tend to gravitate toward racist, nationalistic ideas, so you kind of have a catch-22 on your hands.

Fair, but as i said in the past, during my interaction with some kids coming from messy families, i noticed that hate and racism was not also taught to them but litterally engrained in their heads, like a natural manifestation of their hate and anger. education could have tried for ages to explain to them that they shouldnt do arab bashing raids (which they did), but they're answer was still "bullshit. i hate niggers".

So how does one approach that? They're immune to logic and cxivilization. Reasoning just makes them want to be more ingorant and angry. Only solution to prevent them from messing up others is locking them up.

[Cretaceous Bob]

Right, you lock them up when they hurt somebody. If you're worried about their racist ideology spreading, the most you can do is make a good argument against it on a societal level.

You can't really stamp them out, you can only raise up the rest of society around them.

[MrBrit]

I can't help but think about the scenes in "District 9" where people were talking about how they wanted the aliens to leave. The video clips were actually ordinary South Africans talking about wanting the Zimbabweans to leave. Apparently, South Africans don't think too highly of the Nigerians, either. It just goes to show that it's about more than just skin color or religion. It's also about culture and economic disparity. They didn't want those other people coming over and taking "their jobs". When immigrants hurt your way of life (by driving down wages and making it harder to find a job) it's much easier to ascribe all kinds of bad characteristics to them.

Cole Haddon: Is it too simplistic to look at the aliens segregated into District 9 as a metaphor for blacks under Apartheid?

Neill Blomkamp: It’s not too simplistic, but I think there are other elements. Another element that should be noted is, with the new black government since probably 1999 onwards, the large number of illegal immigrants in South Africa have become a problem. They’re mostly Zimbabweans, because Zimbabwe was collapsing, and they crossed the border into South Africa. So if you forget about Apartheid for a second, if you forget about white oppression, there’s a whole other social dynamic going on with impoverished Zimbabweans who have come to South Africa for a richer life by comparative standards. But they’ve ended up in a lot of the impoverished townships a lot of black South Africans live in. So now black South Africans view these Zimbabweans with animosity because they’ll work for less money. The short film has some of that, with these black South Africans wanting the aliens out of their townships. That’s a crazy thing, because there aren’t many places in the world where that would happen.
Interview: Director Neill Blomkamp Talks District 9… And District 10? - Movies - Film.com

[Montucky Jess Jess]

Originally Posted by Junkenstein

Cross-breeding would eliminate race (also mixed race kids are awesome) but there wo9uld be other shapes for racism.

True. I guess my white guilt was talking and it sometimes shouldn't. IT's a total drunk. That being said:

Does 'White Guilt' serve a purpose? Should it exist? Is it just ego and not as necessary as douche-bag liberals like myself suppose?

[Montucky Jess Jess]

Originally Posted by DWarrior

"we shouldn't have wars, dude"

Lol. I DO say shit like that! We should hang out sometime, DW. I think people would find your head exploding due to my antics - very entertaining...

[Montucky Jess Jess]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

You honestly think getting rid of race would eliminate culture and religion? So, essentially, you believe all cultures and religions are racially motivated?

I am a racist. You win. Next topic...