1375: Shit Take

[Blitzgal]

Originally Posted by Junkenstein

anyway, as an atheist i dont doubt there might have been something that eventually set in motion the creation of the universe: my idea is that whatever that was, it was an occurrance with no conscience, entity or will that by chance started the reaction that caused big bang. whther it was chemical or physical, it is not a being, or anything that can be prayed to without doing a meanigless act that only satisfies your own insecurities about existential meaning.

Nice, I like this.

At any rate, if the Big Bang is false it does not ergo mean that God must exist. Just means we don't have the answer yet.

[bithead]

I connected with two things that Chemda said during this show:

1) I'm "religion-less". My upbringing didn't include any religion, church, or sense of spirituality. I don't think about religion whatsoever, so calling myself an Atheist or Agnostic doesn't seem appropriate. In fact, this paragraph is the most I've written or thought about religion... ever.

2) re: living life with goals... Having a background in technology and working primarily in I.T. has always kept me employed full-time, with great pay and benefits. I've spent 17 years climbing the corporate I.T. ladder and have always had a new goal to strive for to keep me motivated. But once I became uninterested in I.T., every day became a struggle for me. I no longer had a goal to strive for, plus I was bored. Still the same pay, etc. but I hated getting up in the morning, and was finding myself in a bad mood at the end of each day. Bew!

I've already written about what I did next on a past thread:
http://www.keithandthegirl.com/forum...y-dream-16186/

It's certainly not easy to carry two jobs simultaneously (practicing in real-time, and my regular job), plus studying at night, and have 2 young kids, blah, blah, blah. But damn, I'm all fired-up with anticipation and excitement for what's ahead for me in just under a year from now!

[DWarrior]

Originally Posted by bithead

I connected with two things that Chemda said during this show:

1) I'm "religion-less". My upbringing didn't include any religion, church, or sense of spirituality. I don't think about religion whatsoever, so calling myself an Atheist or Agnostic doesn't seem appropriate. In fact, this paragraph is the most I've written or thought about religion... ever.

Secular is where it's at.

[Rhian]

Originally Posted by murple

i love Lucas' laugh. it sounds so evil.

Originally Posted by littlp

Lucas has the best laugh ever and whenever I hear it, I cannot help but crack up too.

Originally Posted by Junkenstein

Chritian Finnegan is one of my favourite peoploe evr. hearing him back is GREAT!

and i like lucas, laugh included

Me too! Adoraboos.

[TulsaCowboy]

Originally Posted by Medium Brumski

The "self-arranging" that hydrogen atoms do is called fusion, which is an observed effect in our universe, thus not implausible at all.

Nucleosynthesis (or as you say fusion) does not get you from the bang to trees and dogs. You listed step one out of millions. I still say the probability of it all coming together randomly seems far fetched.

BTW, anyone else find it interesting that this scientific theory was proposed by a Catholic priest?

[Junkenstein]

Just as a reminder, thats what CHRISTIANITY (not islam) creates when unleashed oin a desperate country.



and D. please spare me the "they're just ignorant niggers" answer that youy probably are ready to post. dont be a dipshit for once.

[Medium Brumski]

Originally Posted by TulsaCowboy

Nucleosynthesis (or as you say fusion)

Don't try to score points because I used a more well-known term on a non-scientific forum.

Originally Posted by TulsaCowboy

does not get you from the bang to trees and dogs.

No, but it gets you the matter that makes it possible to make trees and dogs.

Originally Posted by TulsaCowboy

You listed step one out of millions.

Oh shit, this is going to be a longer reply then I thought...time, gravity and friction, oh I guess that wasn't so bad.

Originally Posted by TulsaCowboy

I still say the probability of it all coming together randomly seems far fetched.

Fair.

That idea reminds me of a conversation I had with a religious guy in high school, he was telling me an anecdote about the chances of the specific human form spontaneously coming about was the same as if you covered the surface of Texas in white poker chips, added one blue chip, then had a blind guy wonder around and pick up one chip randomly and having him pick up that blue chip. I don't know the numbers but sounds pretty unlikely, right.

I told him that might be a good thought exercise, but you would actually have to throw out as many blue chips as there are possible life-forms on earth, and you would have to let blind people walk around for millions of years picking up chips. They would pick up a lot of blue chips, maybe not the human one, but you would still have trees and dogs and oompa-loompas in one form or another.

Probably not the point you were trying to make, I just kinda got into a thing there.

[Cretaceous Bob]

The "probability" arguments are kind of dumb. It's not like something clapped its hands and boom there were people and trees. Billions of years of development provides for an abundance of opportunities for rare things to happen.

[Junkenstein]

Originally Posted by Cretaceous Bob

The "probability" arguments are kind of dumb. It's not like something clapped its hands and boom there were people and trees. Billions of years of development provides for an abundance of opportunities for rare things to happen.

exactly. and also very well put.

[poingjam]

The probability arguments are also clunky because the probability of any given religion being accurate is far, far smaller. If you base everything you know on faith, why bring cold, hard science into it when you're arguing against cold, hard science? We hazard a guess at the big bang and evolution because they are the most probable occurrences as statistical probability goes.

Yeah, maybe it's far-fetched that this all happened by accident, but it's also far-fetched that the Bible happened. Pick how far you want to fetch things; I'm going with the closest.