1471: Ted's American Dream?

[FletchLives]

Originally Posted by stulagu

I still hold to my belief that within the next 100 years, Texas will try to succeed from the union.

That's the only hope I have for the future. Not because Texas is so awesome, but because it would be a fresh start on a much more manageable scale. Texans are all so proud to be Texans, so I don't think that would be a failed endeavor.
We are still the only state that can legally fly it's flag at equal height to the US flag.
The problem is if we secede, the US would sever all ties. Which I'm sure would bring Mexico to do what it could to get a dominate hand in the infrastructure.

[stulagu]

Originally Posted by FletchLives

That's the only hope I have for the future. Not because Texas is so awesome, but because it would be a fresh start on a much more manageable scale. Texans are all so proud to be Texans, so I don't think that would be a failed endeavor.
We are still the only state that can legally fly it's flag at equal height to the US flag.
The problem is if we secede, the US would sever all ties. Which I'm sure would bring Mexico to do what it could to get a dominate hand in the infrastructure.

The Texans would line the boarder with coyotes to keep everyone out. They would be a pretty wealthy nation with their oil...but I think the government system would be a fuster cluck.

I'm proud to be Minnesotan, but I don't know what I would do if my state decided to leave the union. If it merged with Canada, I'd be ok, but its own country? Not sure.

I think Northern and Southern CA will split, too. And I think they SHOULD.

[Blitzgal]

Originally Posted by FletchLives

I'm not a southern deportationist (that will become a word sooner or later) or completely against illegals. I just think it's misrepresentation when Perry boasts all the jobs he created, when 81% (fact check that, I may be off by a bit) of the jobs he created were for illegal immigrants. Yes, the cash flow would have been worse in Texas, but it would have been a lot better for our country's economy if those newly created jobs were paying taxes.

81% of the jobs went to immigrants who recently arrived in the country. About half of them are here legally and half of them are not. But they aren't all illegal.

The other issue that doesn't really get discussed is the fact that we're talking very low wage jobs that wouldn't produce much tax revenue anyway. Although one article I saw said that Texas doesn't have an income tax?

Perry's Texas jobs boom mainly helped immigrants, study says | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

[FletchLives]

Originally Posted by Blitzgal

81% of the jobs went to immigrants who recently arrived in the country. About half of them are here legally and half of them are not. But they aren't all illegal.

The other issue that doesn't really get discussed is the fact that we're talking very low wage jobs that wouldn't produce much tax revenue anyway. Although one article I saw said that Texas doesn't have an income tax?

Perry's Texas jobs boom mainly helped immigrants, study says | The Lookout - Yahoo! News

We don't have income tax. And I'm agreeing with you that they are low wage jobs that won't produce tax revenue, and some of them no tax money at all. That was my point.

[FletchLives]

What if these protests were all started by the government? They can't unite our country with a war like they used to. So instead, they unite us by starting protests by the middle class. Then, they pass a legislation that looks good to us, so we think we accomplished something. We all gain faith in our government, just in time for a new administration.

[Blitzgal]

You sound like my co-worker, except she further elaborates that they're psi-ops. Why is it so hard to believe that people are pissed off?

[FletchLives]

I'm just giving a possible scenario. You're an idiot if you think there aren't already government plants at all the protests. Especially since reports came out yesterday of the DC protest charging into the senate offices, and a speaker at OWS saying that it's our right as free citizens to have sex with animals. There's obviously agents stirring up shit. So, is that their only role, or is it just part of the show and they're the real protagonists?

[Blitzgal]

Originally Posted by FletchLives

I'm just giving a possible scenario. You're an idiot if you think there aren't already government plants at all the protests. Especially since reports came out yesterday of the DC protest charging into the senate offices, and a speaker at OWS saying that it's our right as free citizens to have sex with animals. There's obviously agents stirring up shit. So, is that their only role, or is it just part of the show and they're the real protagonists?

You understand that there's a difference between agents infiltrating a group (which happens all of the time) and the government manufacturing the entire thing, right? I rejected your first notion. Stop moving the goal posts.

[FletchLives]

Originally Posted by Blitzgal

You understand that there's a difference between agents infiltrating a group (which happens all of the time) and the government manufacturing the entire thing, right? I rejected your first notion. Stop moving the goal posts.

Yes, I understand there is a difference. You can tell by the way I used the word "or."
As in, this could be what is happening, OR this could be what is happening.
I think I was pretty clear. I didn't change what I said about what could be happening. I repeated myself, and then offered the alternative. But, as I've said three times now, it's just a possibility. You can't discredit the possibility, because you don't fucking know.

[DaveNJ]

Originally Posted by FletchLives

Yes, I understand there is a difference. You can tell by the way I used the word "or."
As in, this could be what is happening, OR this could be what is happening.
I think I was pretty clear. I didn't change what I said about what could be happening. I repeated myself, and then offered the alternative. But, as I've said three times now, it's just a possibility. You can't discredit the possibility, because you don't fucking know.

Maybe bigfoot's secretly running the protest. Who knows?