1552: Kony Bologna
 

"You will not distract me with your Sports Illustrated. I've come to fight."


Hell & Heartaches

Just listened to the show, I'm disappointed you didn't even seem to entertain an alternate viewpoint, brushing any of my points off as me being even lazier then you. I don't think the points I brought up were awful, you even quoted a sarcastic response to one of my posts as being on the same side as me(or us, I dunno). Maybe its because my posts were a little wordier then they could've been, making it difficult to quote mid-show, so I guess I'll sum it up better:

Invisible Children are irresponsible with the money they are given, it took, what... 8 years to raise awareness to stop a single, obsolete warlord? Yeah, thanks, but I'm pretty sure the money they used could have gone somewhere more useful

(I did my research and I like BRAC- ).

That's my main point in nutshell, something that some people never seemed tp pick up on and bashed me for points I never even brought up. I don't think that complete economic infrastructure would help them(wouldn't hurt, but that's not my point), education and health(providing food, water and shelter) would go much further then capturing Kony.

But yeah... Keith... you focus on this guy, make sure he has your full undivided attention on April 20. Are you gonna feel like you accomplished something? You and Chemda have a large voice, you seem to forget that sometimes. Anyway love the show, you two rock.

Thank you.

Type a space before you start something in parenthesis.

haha, I'll keep it in mind.

One could say the same thing about the activist group NORMAL. They've been around for what, 30+ years? People still support them. Perhaps they're stupid, stoned, or simply believe that while they are busy at work; someone else is out there raising awareness.

Keith has been vocal about shutting down Kony for years.. Oh wait, that was Coney Island!

Just curious, are the dolphins still gettin killed?

Here's a pretty good radar I've used as to the effectiveness of the KONY 2012 video.

The day the movie hit the Internet, roughly 100 of my Facebook friends posted it, most with a caption similar to "WE MUST STOP HIM!!! WATCH THIS VIDEO".

6 of my friends and myself, having already known about Joseph Kony/Invisible Children/ the LRA, had previously "Liked" Invisible Children's Facebook page, giving us daily updates on their organization, latest videos, and the status of their services. None of these 6 friends (or myself) posted the KONY video on Facebook.

Roughly a week after the KONY video has gone viral? The same 6 of my friends "Liked" the Invisible Children Facebook fan page. Not one of the 100 ppl who posted the video liked their page.

Not to say that you can't give a shit about something if you don't follow it on Facebook, but if you're already on Facebook posting the video, and are so passionate to try and make everyone see it, wouldn't you want to "Like" their page to keep up to date on how the war on Joseph Kony is going? Hell, I know people who have only been inside an IKEA once and they like them on Facebook.

It was also annoying that stupid people were suddenly acting as if they were now political activists. A girl I know literally questioned via Facebook whether Joe Biden was the current VP or if it was Dick Cheney, but after watching KONY 2012, she thinks she knows everything about the situation.

My main critique of the video is that it exaggerates/glosses over some key facts . It's great that awareness is raised, the war has been going on for over 26 years and it's about time, but give people the correct facts! There are people enraged wanting to go to war with Uganda when Kony hasn't been there in 6-8 years. People still aren't aware that Kony is a Christian fundamentalist who wants to have society based on the Ten Commandments, and he believes he's acting on behalf of God (Lords Resistance Army...). People don't know that we have troops in Central Africa.

I would be very interested to see how many people can list the name of Kony's child army or the charity that made this video in 2 months time.

Coney Island 2012?

Remember Patrick Bailey? This grown adult just sent me the video of the Ugandan girl we talked about on our show to sincerely show me the other side.

This time I watched the whole thing.

She says her parents laughed at her when she brought up Kony because he hasn't been active in her parents' country (Uganda) for 5 years.

That's hilarious.

He hasn't kidnapped, raped, maimed, disfigured or killed any children in their home country in 5 long years. It's so funny!

We're still sensitive about 9/11, but that family is simply having a gas.

This is the first time I've ever disagreed with Patrice (and I am not pleased about it)! I have done quite a bit of research on Invisible Children, hosted an educated debate involving my high school students (I teach 12th grade and the video was produced for their age group), and I saw Jason Russell speak at a TEDx Conference last fall. I understand that the message is simplistic but it is a starting point. Invis Children is not registered as an aid organization, their focus is awareness.

I think it's just hip to be part of the backlash, just as it was hip to repost the original video the night it came out. Soon it will be hip to backlash the backlash, and so on.

Invisible Children is actually a small organization, hardly a large corporation like Feed The Children (once named the "most outrageous charity in America"), with successful marketing, and perhaps others feel threatened.

Although this may be considered bias, considering the source, it addresses a number of thoughtful criticisms: InvisibleChildren

Let's not reduce Uganda to a meme, instead, let's talk about it.

And if nothing else comes of this than an in-depth discussion with a bunch of 18 year olds about slactivism and researching where ones money goes, I'm a happy teacher.

Two things:

1. Make sure that Koney is alive.
2. Let seal team six handle him.

I just saw "Exceeding Loud and Incredibly Close", and here's a quote from it. Boy and grandfather looking for lock. "I know you can't walk as fast as me and you have to go to the bathroom several times an hour, but could you eat faster!?"

Is he going to the bathroom several times an hour on Joseph Kony? I don't get it.

Yeah, I didn't particularly care for that video, I agree with Chemda, really sounded like she felt superior to the people she was talking to, and her parents don't seem to have an ounce of sympathy, either.

About Invisible Children, I don't think my feelings for them are because I'm hopping on some hate-train, it belittles the things I'm trying to get across, this is the opinion I have formed from the things I have researched on my own.

Invisible Children isn't going to stay small forever, from the stuff I've seen they are going to become much bigger, which saddens me cause there are many more legitimate groups that could use the support. Maybe I AM a fucking hippie -_- I just cant stand the use of violent methods in these types of situations.

I agree. Why the violence? Why are we stooping to Kony's level?

Let's sit him down and explain to him why what he's doing is wrong. I bet he himself was abused, and he simply knows no other way.

Yeah, yeah, I get it. The guys a fucking psychopath. He will never listen to reason, I know that, I just feel... that its pointless. Killing him will only allow another to take his place, we can keep killing monsters like him forever and it will never stop, it only bloodies our own hands. How about instead of the head of the problem, we focus on the roots of it first, by taking away the source of these warlords power, the malleable uneducated, desperate children that they abduct and brainwash, and educate them to be able to take care of themselves. Yeesh, this stuff is making me fucking depressed. I need a drink.

I honestly wouldn't have a problem if they just billed themselves as an awareness charity, but they don't

From the .org site:

"Our development professionals from Central Africa partner with local communities to implement and maintain education programs and economic initiatives in the war affected region. Recovering communities require stability when it comes to education and economic initiatives, but the ever-changing conflict demands innovative solutions and quick mobilization. Our initiatiatives attempt to meet the region's need for both stability and flexibility."

"We focus on long-term goals that enable children to take responsibility for their futures and the futures of their countries. Our programs are carefully developed initiatives that address the need for quality education, mentorships, the redevelopment of schools, and financial stability. In areas where the LRA is still active, we focus on civilian protection and rehabilitation."

That to me translates to "We help Africans". If they were just running around taking photos holding guns and making films that would a different story. Do I have an alternative charity that you should be dealing with to help? No. I just know that Invisible Children has given me a weird exploitation vibe since the first film they made a few years ago. I saw the stream of Jason Russell at Tedx San Diego and he's eloquent and passionate as a speaker I can give him that.

Keith, about the pre-wedding counseling with your father:

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Chemda said it. You have to have communion, which means you have to go to confession, with your father, the day before or of the wedding. No matter what you confess to, he'll never let you finish until you admit to breaking the 5th commandment and having not honored him.

Totally. I mean, his group is called 'The Lord's Resistance Army.' Maybe he's just religious and it's part of his culture. Maybe God told him to rape and murder. Who are we to judge?

Yes but in all fairness the Dolphins didn't pick a day to have a poster hanging.

Semper Fi Off the Top Please
 

So when I walk into my barber's "booth", there are at least two defense implements within reach. I think the baseball bat with splinters or the rusty ball peen hammer are my favorites (he rotates the other death weapons at whim). I have asked him before, what the particular purpose of those tools happens to be, and he replied "for when I need to defend my-self".

My barber served in the Marine Corps. He has pictures all over the place. I never asked him which theater he served in, but he goes silent/still for a couple of seconds at the mention of the word "Marine". This makes military conversation difficult, and risky. One due to the various weapons strewn all over the place, and two due to the fact that he has a full length barber's razor to my neck for half the experience. Not an opportune moment to trigger a flashback.

With that said, he is one of the nicest, and genuine, people I know. I have never felt like I am about to be in a fight at his place. However, if a fight does erupt I'm sure it will be someone stranger against my-self and my barber.

Remember to say thank you to a service person today.

KONY is mild stuff....
 

I'm happy to hear that we, as a nation, are finally starting to understand this African Warlord fiasco. This has been going on for quite a while (literally for several decades).

Below is a link to the vice bus film on Liberia. This country has a long and sad history, and it is directly tied to the actions of the US. If you have the stomach for wretched states of existence then I strongly suggest that you watch all 6 parts of this movie. It's heartbreaking to the point where this stuff looks made-up and unreal.

These smaller African countries suffered political uprisings during the 70's and 80's. The final results are chaotic states which are broken down into feudal territories. Former generals and strongmen controlling blocks of major cities. These warlords recruit children as young as 6, pump them full of drugs, and pretty much use them as militarized gangs.

This is the story of General Butt Naked (his official name), who fought with other warlords while .... being butt naked. (don't worry he was bullet proof due to the magical spell that was put on him from eating the flesh of a child.)

You can enjoy all of Butt Naked's exploits versus other famed Liberian Warlords like General Mosquito, General Mosquito Spray, and of course General Rambo. I wish I was making this up.

The Vice Guide To Travel - Liberia - Part 1 - YouTube

Keith is right.... Sarcasm aside, let's just off the bastard today. How hard is it to sneak a hitman into the place? Just pay someone $100.00 to do it today. I'm sure another Kony isn't ready to take his place at all. One dead monster, and the entire country will learn its lesson.

Let's kill 20 of the worst warlords there. It's not like that's what got this whole mess going in the first place.

Keith probably meant for the sarcasm to not be put aside...

In high school, I used to get my hair cut at the ghetto barbershop in the neighboring town of Irvington, NJ. It was mostly black, with a few latinos, and once in a blue moon, a white man with hip-hop affiliations would wander in. The trouble was that people would come in off the street and try to sell DVDs and shit. The barbers and patrons would always have to shoo them away and keep them from assailing everyone to buy some probably-stolen merchandise. Every now and then, someone would storm in high on crack (most likely) and everyone would drop what they were doing and physical throw this guy out. Strangely, we all got used to it after a while.

I was never worried about getting into a fight with another patron, but you'd see the various barbers get pretty nasty with one another in trying to get a customer to choose him. It was rather like the barking comedians at the club, where they'd have to sit out front and say "You gettin' a cut? I got you. I got you."

Okay, a more well-informed woman from Uganada gives her thoughts on the Kony 2012 movement and Invisible Children.

This video is less superficial.



And this is Rosebell Kagumire's full video:

Thank you, but you already wasted 6 minutes of my time. You'll understand if I can't afford wasting 15 more.

So her problem isn't with the mind-controlling child twister that lives hidden in the bush. She wants to make sure that the continent doesn't get some unwarranted opinion stigma started by rumors of mind-controlling child twisters living in the bush....

What PR firm does she work for?

The film ends with ... "This message sponsored by concerned children soldiers for J. Kony."

In my defense, I paused the show to send the email before you guys started talking about the video I emailed you.

All I'm saying is that I think there is more to this story than meets the eye.

With most Ugandans agreeing that Kony hasn't been an issue in at least 5 years, and may even be dead, I think there is something we're missing.

Propaganda is a real thing, and I'm not sure what side is pushing their propaganda the hardest, but the "Kony 2012" video is just a mashup of a video created in 2006 (not 2012), and the sassy girl made her video without any special effects (or 10 other people producing music, sound effects, etc), and it is a 2012 video.

I'm not sure which side to be on, but I'm willing to admit that. I just don't jump on one side because the "media" told me to.

And everyone agrees that we're not sure where he is... Do we need another manhunt for someone that by the locals comments hasn't been a problem in years.

How much in debt is the USA in now? How many wars do we currently have running? Should we go in further debt over another "boogyman" who hasn't done anything in 5+ years?

I say if he threatens us in a real way (with some sort of military power), we should take him out, but otherwise lets get ourselves out of debt, and raise the value of the US dollar again first... Then we can go be bullies again.

Keith reading back my comments on the show made me realized do kinda sound loony.
Oh well I am moving back there in a little under 2 months, so KATG will have another listener in uganda

In your defense? That shows that you thought it was a good, important video. Fuckin' idiot.

He didn't say it was a "good" defense.

That was a defense from a court-appointed lawyer.

"Your Honor, I couldn't be bothered to listen to all the charges against my client before submitting the murder weapon with his prints on it into evidence. Do over?"

Well, I was self appointed, but if you want to pay for my court-appointed lawyer, maybe he'd do a better job than me.

If you wanna pay taxes to find Kony too, be my guest, but I'm not ready to do that yet.

Keith, isn't Uganda one of the countries with an X on it on your globe? Why is this a discussion?

That's such a selfish thing to say. Like, for real it was a pretty awful thing to say and it wasn't even a joke.

I agree with Danny, I feel statements like that never lead anywhere good.

Danny, the key word was "yet". How has he threatened us? I don't think he's the greatest guy, but also don't think he poses any sort of threat to the USA, so why must we kill him now?