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It's a right 63 57.27%
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Old 05-12-2012, 11:00 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I think the vast majority of women who are nursing in public try to be discreet. It's pretty terrifying the first time you do it, because you're certain someone will make a scene or some creep will stare. But baby has to eat, and it actually causes less of a scene to feed the baby then let them fuss or scream. I've never felt judged in a negative way when nursing in public. I'd say only 5 people have ever even noticed.

Nursing Nazis, like Keith was talking about, make all of us look like loons by whipping it out and making a production. These are the same women who will give dirty looks to a baby with a bottle, even if it's pumped breastmilk, and can be heard talking loudly about how breast is best and staging nurse-ins if a store owner dares asks them to cover up a bit.

Breastfeeding is hard work. It's painful at first. It's exhausting, since only you can feed the baby. It's nerve wracking, you have to monitor baby to make sure they're gaining weight and eating enough, since you can't just measure. It's hard work, between possible latch and production issues and possible infections. It's seriously a labor of love. I do it because I know it's best for my child. I don't want a medal, but I do want the ability to naturally feed my child in public, within legal guidelines, without feeling as if I'm a freakshow.
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Old 05-13-2012, 01:19 PM   #42 (permalink)
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You're one erudite neanderthal Cowboy, but let me put this to you.

It was wise to redefine the nature of civilization's concept of astronomy over the years since Galileo showed that the heavens weren't centered on the Earth. It was wise for the US of A to define the concept of the nation in terms of separation of church and state in response to centuries of oppression and further it was also wise for the entirety of the US of A to finally redefine civilization further towards terms of genuine equality for all when they abolished slavery. You can find another example in the wisdom of Marvel in hiring Joss Whedon to direct the Avengers when civilization had previously been largely immune to his charms.

Seems to me that major concepts of civilization are oftentimes held in place by fears which prove, with hindsight, to have been essentially baseless - or at least if they had any base at all, it wasn't much more than good old-fashioned ignorance.
Agreed.

The notion that we ought not redefine marriage because it is of lasting historical and institutional significance is not a strong argument.

It's also worth noting that we redefine the major concepts of civilization constantly with respect to issues like gender equality, racial equality, and a variety of other social norms and traditions. To call this reevaluation unwise is to call almost any component of our modern civilization unwise. A woman walking down the street in pants without a male escort is, in the context of historical tradition, quite radical.

However, it would be absurd to call it unwise.

Those who have made the case for marriage between those of the same gender have made a social and scientific case for it based on the grounds of the morality of their unions, the quality of their unions with respect to mutual love and capacity to care for others (i.e. children and the elderly). As such, it is up to those who question their case to produce contradictory evidence. Anything short of that is an appeal to tradition or authority, both of which are logical fallacies.

Finally, no-fault divorce, which has been legal in all 50 states and the District of Columbia since 1985, is a much more significant break from traditional marriage than gay marriage. I question the motives of those who advocate against one but not the other, particularly as the social effects of no-fault divorce are seen on a larger scale in virtually any aspect of American life related to marriage.
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Old 05-13-2012, 07:29 PM   #43 (permalink)
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I just had a crush on my counselor and tried to sound really smart so he would fall in love with me...didn't work...
You've seen Little Darlings, right?
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Old 05-14-2012, 09:48 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Sure, why not. You'll probably love it.
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This poll is so much easier if we can seperate the intent of breast feeding your kid from making a spectacle of yourself. We all know which alright and which is performing weird, live porn.
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This poll is so much easier if we can seperate the intent of breast feeding your kid from making a spectacle of yourself. We all know which alright and which is performing weird, live porn.
Do you know how many women get glared at for public breastfeeding even when they're covered? Especially at a restaurant? That is the frustration, that even when you're not flopping it around for the world to see, you still get scorned.

I did have a friend that once squirted a guy with her breastmilk at a restaurant, I laughed for days after hearing that story...
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Old 05-14-2012, 01:43 PM   #48 (permalink)
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legally . . . throw out the term 'marriage' for everyone. that's right, everyone! Just strike it from the law.

You get reissued a legal civil union document that agrees with your original marriage certificate. Now no one can complain.

why?

1st rule of the USA - separation of church and state.

Marriage is a sacrament and the church got to define the rules 1st, not the government.

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Let everyone get "married", its their right but call them Civil Unions.
Leave the marriages in the religious cannon and if your specific "church" doesn't allow it, join another.
I wholeheartedly agree.

In fact, TJ and I have gotten into several arguments over this idea. He believes everyone should have the right to get married.

I think gay people are fighting the wrong fight. We should approach the idea of "marriage" as a religious institution where the government has no business sticking its nose. We should work to get the legal rights and responsibilities considered "marriage" to be called civil unions–*for all people.

Once our legal terms are redefined, religious conservatives will have one less leg to stand upon and the battle for equal rights will be a tad bit easier.

It's silly that we have one term for two different institutions.
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Do you know how many women get glared at for public breastfeeding even when they're covered? Especially at a restaurant? That is the frustration, that even when you're not flopping it around for the world to see, you still get scorned.

I did have a friend that once squirted a guy with her breastmilk at a restaurant, I laughed for days after hearing that story...
There are always going to be weirdos. You just have to accept that.

Feed your kid: fine.
Be a spectacle: weird.
Separate the intent.
One of these actions normalizes the subject. The other one makes moms look ridiculous and makes everyone crazy.

If moms really want everyone to calm down, why would they want to wind everyone up further?
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If moms really want everyone to calm down, why would they want to wind everyone up further?
very true, it is why I'm in the camp that the lady on the cover of time is a publicity whore rather than an advocate for alternative parenting.
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