1619: Danger! Danger! Part 2

[Really]

Do your research and you will find that these situations, however tragic they may be, are not typical. By definition, justifiable homicide is when the person doing the shooting was cornered and had to choose between shooting and being harmed or killed. This happens, according to your cited study, more often when potential victims have guns. The result is fewer successful criminals, fewer victims, fewer inmates, and a small boost to the funeral industry. It looks like a win to me.

You also are pointing at situations that have not been determined to be justifiable homicide, and likely will not. In the case of the police officer it at best will be an accidental death, not justified; and if justice prevails will be manslaughter and the officer will be jailed. Who knows how the Trayvon Martin case will turn out - there has been so much smoke from both sides leaked to the press it has become more about lawyering than truth.

Again you are clinging to your beliefs and grasping at straws to justify your position. These examples do not belong in the study you quoted. I love that justifiable homicide has gone up as it shows that crime does not pay and Americans don't have to be crime victims. USA!

Please stop supporting higher crime, more rape, and more murder with your gun control religion. You have the right to believe these things, but it is a disgusting position to support.

[JSZilla]

I thought they (KATG discussing it in it's use in NY) had already proven gun control can help calm down crime? Not stop it of course but hinder it?

[stulagu]

Originally Posted by Really

Do your research and you will find that these situations, however tragic they may be, are not typical. By definition, justifiable homicide is when the person doing the shooting was cornered and had to choose between shooting and being harmed or killed. This happens, according to your cited study, more often when potential victims have guns. The result is fewer successful criminals, fewer victims, fewer inmates, and a small boost to the funeral industry. It looks like a win to me.

You also are pointing at situations that have not been determined to be justifiable homicide, and likely will not. In the case of the police officer it at best will be an accidental death, not justified; and if justice prevails will be manslaughter and the officer will be jailed. Who knows how the Trayvon Martin case will turn out - there has been so much smoke from both sides leaked to the press it has become more about lawyering than truth.

Again you are clinging to your beliefs and grasping at straws to justify your position. These examples do not belong in the study you quoted. I love that justifiable homicide has gone up as it shows that crime does not pay and Americans don't have to be crime victims. USA!

Please stop supporting higher crime, more rape, and more murder with your gun control religion. You have the right to believe these things, but it is a disgusting position to support.

YES! Lets stop all rape by giving people guns so they shoot anyone that approaches them! USA!

Did you see the part where it said 25% of inmates liked the challenge of knowing their victim would be armed? Do you think it is better for someone to be robbed or for that person to kill another human? YAY GUNS! Shoot em up! Kill or be killed! I mean, I can't wait to go back to the days where someone thought another person was cheating and shot them in the saloon, things were SO much easier back then. And it thinned out the population. Total win win.

[stulagu]

Originally Posted by JSZilla

I thought they (KATG discussing it in it's use in NY) had already proven gun control can help calm down crime? Not stop it of course but hinder it?

Oh, but that makes sense...we can't have any of those statistic mumbo jumbos going on. We need to base things on loop holes and semantics about what is a death by gun and what isn't vs focusing on if there aren't guns, there isn't as much crime.

[Really]

Originally Posted by JSZilla

I thought they (KATG discussing it in it's use in NY) had already proven gun control can help calm down crime? Not stop it of course but hinder it?

Take a look at the references I made in previous posts. Read the books, listen to the other side of the argument with an open mind, look at the statistics and then decide for yourself. I don't want to convince anyone, I would like people to get educated and convince themselves. Although I'm sure individual situations can be cited that will support his position, the overall statistics do not support Bloomberg.

A lie left unchallenged becomes the truth.

[Really]

Originally Posted by stulagu

Oh, but that makes sense...we can't have any of those statistic mumbo jumbos going on. We need to base things on loop holes and semantics about what is a death by gun and what isn't vs focusing on if there aren't guns, there isn't as much crime.

Your statement of faith "if there aren't guns, there isn't as much crime" has been proven wrong, several times, it works the other way "when there aren't as many guns there is more crime". I wouldn't put too much stock in the bravado of an inmate, statistics are more reliable.

Please re-read your posts, your position is based on emotional certainty, but not on fact. I am not playing games with statistics ... but you cite statistics and give examples that have nothing to do with those same statistics.

I understand that you hate guns. Don't get one.

I don't understand why you want to promote crime, rape, and murder.

[JSZilla]

Originally Posted by Really

...I understand that you hate guns. Don't get one.

I don't understand why you want to promote crime, rape, and murder.

I quit. I knew I should of kept doing something else lol. Suddenly I wanna go see what Doctor Sleep is up too. Is he dead yet?