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Keith 09-05-2012 11:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Lura (Post 732770)
Full disclosure: I'm a liberal Catholic Christian who doesn't go to church because my priest is an ass who didn't want to deal with my questions.

I follow. I'm a liberal Nazi.

Lura 09-05-2012 11:54 PM

But there's no such... Hey, I see what you did there. That's funny.

stulagu 09-06-2012 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by picard102 (Post 732768)
Any book that outright makes shit up at least half the time is high on the list of suspicious bullshit.

what is made up? were you there to experience it? it is made up in your mind, you choose not to believe it. there are other cultures that have stories just as suspicious as Christianity. I've experienced things I can't explain and would sound suspicious to others...I think this is so above anyone's mental capabilities and both sides are arguing just as fervently for things they can't prove.

stulagu 09-06-2012 12:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Lura (Post 732770)
I was lazy; god-who-is-love wants people who love one another to be happy together. Procreation is a lovely benefit if that comes of it but if you say that is the reason for mate-pairing then you are reducing us to breeders.

We are just breeders, that is what every living organism is made to do. What else do you think we are? preservers of the earth? we obviously aren't here to make things better. We are biological organisms, even the smallest organism has a job...to multiply.

Enunciated Piffle 09-06-2012 12:38 AM

"We're a virus with shoes" - Bill Hicks

Lura 09-06-2012 01:03 AM

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Originally Posted by stulagu (Post 732781)
We are just breeders, that is what every living organism is made to do. What else do you think we are? preservers of the earth? we obviously aren't here to make things better. We are biological organisms, even the smallest organism has a job...to multiply.

But to reduce us to JUST breeders discounts the human mind and soul. Mozart had children but I think most people would agree that his primary contribution to the human race was his music.

Do you think infertile people should not be allowed to marry?

picard102 09-06-2012 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by stulagu (Post 732780)
what is made up? were you there to experience it?

You're right, I should probably have been there to know for sure someone can be killed and then live again, or that some dude made fish a bread appear out of thin air, or that a man can defy physics and walk on water, that fires can talk to people, that one man made a zoo boat and then repopulated the planet shortly thereafter, and that one man, and a woman made from his leftover parts are our ancestors and we're just a product of inbreeding where the complications of such inbreeding is only apparent in the last few centuries.

All these things are so up in the air as to if they could happen in reality or not?

Sparrow 09-06-2012 07:23 AM

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Originally Posted by stulagu (Post 732780)
I think this is so above anyone's mental capabilities and both sides are arguing just as fervently for things they can't prove.

things we can't prove. like gravity? i've had my own set of spiritual what the fucks, but i'll still put my stock into a system that can admit when it's wrong and change its worldview as it becomes more clear. the unchanging hand of god was geocentric.

just for the discussion, religion and spirituality are two separate things, have been billed as two separate things in this argument, but stu you're using them interchangeably. could you define and clarify how you view the two? for me there's a huge difference between my connection to the things my body doesn't have sense receptors for and following dogma.

Sparrow 09-06-2012 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by picard102 (Post 732787)
one man, and a woman made from his leftover parts are our ancestors and we're just a product of inbreeding

adam and eve are genesis 2. in genesis 1 all of humanity gets created at once.

I dove into a copy of the Lutheran translation of the Bible a few weeks ago. Its emphasis on obedience was weird.

Blitzgal 09-06-2012 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by picard102 (Post 732787)
You're right, I should probably have been there to know for sure someone can be killed and then live again, or that some dude made fish a bread appear out of thin air, or that a man can defy physics and walk on water, that fires can talk to people, that one man made a zoo boat and then repopulated the planet shortly thereafter, and that one man, and a woman made from his leftover parts are our ancestors and we're just a product of inbreeding where the complications of such inbreeding is only apparent in the last few centuries.

All these things are so up in the air as to if they could happen in reality or not?


And as Stu (I believe) has already noted way earlier in the thread, a lot of Christian mythology comes directly from pre-existing pagan mythology. Early Christians were genius propagandists -- to gain followers they merely incorporated already existent mythology and holidays into their belief system. Neo-paganism has muddied the waters a lot, and they claim that certain rituals are "ancient" when they aren't, but we know that some of the biggies such as Christmas and Easter are pagan holidays that were appropriated by the Christians.

I think there is plenty of historical evidence to show that Jesus was a real man and a real religious teacher. I actually dig a lot of what he had to say. However, his existence isn't evidence that he is the son of a deity, that he resurrected from the dead, that he performed miracles, etc. He was a dude with some really chill things to say. I'll also note that most of the outspoken Christians that I see in American society today do not follow the teachings of Christ, who was all about helping the poor and the outcast and didn't say one damned thing about gay people.

DWarrior 09-06-2012 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by stulagu (Post 732781)
We are just breeders, that is what every living organism is made to do. What else do you think we are? preservers of the earth? we obviously aren't here to make things better. We are biological organisms, even the smallest organism has a job...to multiply.

Except worker ants and mules.

picard102 09-06-2012 12:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Blitzgal (Post 732806)
And as Stu (I believe) has already noted way earlier in the thread, a lot of Christian mythology comes directly from pre-existing pagan mythology.

Agreed, but she asked what in the bible is made up, and if I was there to witness the events as if that's the only way to determine their veracity. If it's stolen from other mythos then it's even more likely to not be factual.

Blitzgal 09-06-2012 01:02 PM

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Originally Posted by picard102 (Post 732856)
Agreed, but she asked what in the bible is made up, and if I was there to witness the events as if that's the only way to determine their veracity. If it's stolen from other mythos then it's even more likely to not be factual.


Sorry, yeah, I meant exactly this with my point. It's not real; they stole a lot of it from other stuff that was already floating around the culture.

Blitzgal 09-06-2012 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord of the Cock Rings (Post 732844)
Perception is a weird thing. Our brains try to make sense of the stimuli coming in all around us and there are times when things don't compute. The religious or otherwise superstitious person immediately jumps to "that was a ghost" [or God, witchcraft, etc] when there is no real evidence other than "I saw/heard/felt something that I have no explanation for"


Oh yeah, it's interesting looking at the conspiracy crowd to see examples of this. For instance, in the old days, the folklore was that demons, evil spirits, witches etc visited us in our sleep. They sat on our chests, or stole our breath, or cast evil spells on us, etc. Today, people think they are being visited by aliens in the middle of the night. Both of these phenomenons can most likely be attributed to sleep paralysis, where your brain and your body are on different levels of sleep and you have the sensation of being awake but paralyzed. It happens to me if I get too much sleep. I usually believe that someone has broken into my house and is in my room, but I can't move to defend myself. It's creepy as fuck, but not supernatural.

JSZilla 09-06-2012 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Enunciated Piffle (Post 732732)
Sorry to interrupt the primate discussion, but does anyone know where to find the books of the Bible that were omitted? [I'm kinda sorta looking at you, Stulagu...]

Also, one book that appears in one sect of Christianity, but no other is the Book of Enoch. It's trippy as hell and you can buy it in Barnes and Noble. Talks about creation of demons and angels and it gets very weird.

I never bought the Gospel of Judas because yeah. Maybe I should lol. I got the latter. You can also buy the Gospel of Judas at Barnes and Noble. The Gospel of Mary I haven't seen for sale, but I wouldn't be surprised if it is. I could of sworn it wasn't complete. There are books ON it, so there is that.

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Originally Posted by picard102 (Post 732787)
..disprove bullshit with bullshit?

Welcome to politics, lmao. Most of the Apocrypha/removed books are actually more or less part of or are very much slanted to another sect now mostly dead called Gnosticism. I was actually talking about it through private message with XrabbitX a few weeks ago. It's very unique...I'm assuming the deciders Stu talked about at the First Council of Nicaea wanted a single book. And one that did not echo fragmented ideals. Though why Mary's would be removed and the story of Jesus as a kid in the Gospel of Thomas and the "murder" on the roof is silly but I see why they removed it. Thomas is a really neat read that is one of the main ones JFod was talking about recently. He got a lot of his facts crossed but he got the jist. The majority are aimed at that other sect; Gnosticism. Mary's I wanna say is the exception. But I'm not entirely sure. All this bullshit is online if you wanna look it up. It's no big deal though so. Also, a Gospel of Judas? Really? Apparently, Jesus told him to betray him. Yeah. Dunno if I want to read it. I honestly feel like since all the older ones I mentioned have been known about previously and the Judas one wasn't (barring conspiracy theories) may prove it's bullshit on top of bullshit. Hope that helped.

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Originally Posted by Blitzgal (Post 732868)
Oh yeah, it's interesting looking at the conspiracy crowd to see examples of this....

See: www.coasttocoastam.com if you are ready to have your mind blown. Or hurt.

Blitzgal 09-06-2012 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JSZilla (Post 732874)
See: Home - Coast to Coast AM if you are ready to have your mind blown. Or hurt.


I get enough of it at work. My co-worker is one of them.

frankrid 09-06-2012 04:53 PM

Great minds think alike Keith! I proposed we shouldn't have even fought the war. We have two countries now, let's make it official. Here's my blog from OCTOBER 4, 2010.

DWarrior 09-06-2012 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by frankrid (Post 732909)
Great minds think alike Keith! I proposed we shouldn't have even fought the war. We have two countries now, let's make it official. Here's my blog from OCTOBER 4, 2010.

Sparrow wouldn't be in our country tho.

Sparrow 09-06-2012 06:15 PM

did you even read his blog from two years ago?! i'm totally welcome in the dummy dunce womyn's drum circle if I give up my ancestral land.

Blitzgal 09-06-2012 06:22 PM

I know you're mocking and all, but LGBT mosques, really? (Wouldn't the heathen liberals be non-religious?)

Also, everyone knows it was the Iron John men's groups who were obsessed with drumming.

JSZilla 09-07-2012 09:22 AM

Whether or not shit for brains who are anti-gay marriage could read the 14th Amendment this could be solved easier with an exclusively LGBT religion. Fine it isn't right, it's religious. Now what? Well, if the First Amendment protected them AND the 14th. The naysayers might listen more.

Funfact: My state also added to it's constitution in 1875 that “all marriages between a white person and a Negro or between a white person and a person of Negro descent to the third generation inclusive are, hereby, forever prohibited.” Legal til 96 years later. <3


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