1685: Red and Blue

[Larion]

And I voted for Obama because I wanted to prove that no matter what Georgia would vote for Romney because we are a backwards, ignorant ass state full of necks who are afraid the Black man ironically wants to take their guns away. Other than that I was not going to vote at all.

[MichaelApproved]

Originally Posted by Enunciated Piffle

Definetly sure about this 'Michael' guy...

Me too! Thanks

Originally Posted by rodimusprime

I enjoyed this episode a lot. Bonnie was on fire and had me cracking up the entire time. Her idea about Mike interrupting stand up with "facts" was priceless.

That job would be awesome!

Originally Posted by whatotherway

Richard Mourdock, the Indiana Republican senatorial evangelical candidate who declared last month that if a woman was raped and became pregnant, it was “something that God intended to happen” and the woman must keep it; and Todd Akin, the Republican senatorial candidate who claimed last summer that women’s bodies can magically shut down and ward off pregnancy following a “legitimate rape”, both lost their races.

There's so much more. Rachel Maddow does a great job listing the 9 republican rape/abortion candidates that lost. It's a good segment but jump to 6:30 for the list of those who lost.

[jaredv1214]

Michael, one of the things I wanted to know was how come Obama hadn't pushed Obamacare through during this first term? Did he purposely hold off on the biggest parts to ensure his reelection or did he just not have enough time?

[stulagu]

when my sister was in school in London, she was sick. She went to the doctor and they not only saw her, but treated her awesomely and saw her quickly. When she asked how much they said "nothing" and she couldn't believe it. They told her that everyone deserved healthcare. It was amazing.

Though I don't think that would fly in the US because we're all jerks and would take advantage, I'm VERY excited that people will now get more care than before and won't have to stay with a horrible job simply because of healthcare. The rest of the first world countries offer universal healthcare (I think we're the only ones that didnt) so why wouldn't we? Yep, this current system has a lot to work out, but it was a great start.

[stulagu]

Originally Posted by jaredv1214

Michael, one of the things I wanted to know was how come Obama hadn't pushed Obamacare through during this first term? Did he purposely hold off on the biggest parts to ensure his reelection or did he just not have enough time?

that is bullshit, he COULDN'T push his healthcare through, the house and senate were dedicated to keeping anything from getting through. his healthcare also is watered down and full of rediculous jargon because he had to compromise a lot just to get through what he got through.

[jaredv1214]

Originally Posted by stulagu

that is bullshit, he COULDN'T push his healthcare through, the house and senate were dedicated to keeping anything from getting through. his healthcare also is watered down and full of rediculous jargon because he had to compromise a lot just to get through what he got through.

calm down don't have a stroke or anything over there

[Dean from Australia]

In Australia, we have universal healthcare. It is a right, not a privilege.

[MichaelApproved]

Originally Posted by jaredv1214

Michael, one of the things I wanted to know was how come Obama hadn't pushed Obamacare through during this first term? Did he purposely hold off on the biggest parts to ensure his reelection or did he just not have enough time?

Originally Posted by stulagu

that is bullshit, he COULDN'T push his healthcare through, the house and senate were dedicated to keeping anything from getting through. his healthcare also is watered down and full of rediculous jargon because he had to compromise a lot just to get through what he got through.

Though I don't think your honest question was "bullshit", stulagu covered some of the issues. I'll add a little more:

In order to get this thing passed, many compromises were made. They needed to phase things in slowly (it's a big change to the system that can't happen overnight) and work on the inevitable court challenges. It's important to make sure this law would be legal before the entire thing went into effect so the healthcare system doesn't jump back and forth between the old and new system.

Waiting also allowed the public to confirm they wanted this healthcare system to be enacted. Some legislators knew that the next president could dismantle it and wanted to give voters a chance to reject it by replacing Obama with someone else.

[jaredv1214]

Originally Posted by MichaelApproved

Waiting also allowed the public to confirm they wanted this healthcare system to be enacted. Some legislators knew that the next president could dismantle it and wanted to give voters a chance to reject it by replacing Obama with someone else.

Do you think he waited this long to see if he would get reelected so he wouldn't waste his time to get it passed if Romney would just reverse everything?

[MichaelApproved]

Originally Posted by jaredv1214

Do you think he waited this long to see if he would get reelected so he wouldn't waste his time to get it passed if Romney would just reverse everything?

All the hard work was done before the election so there's nothing more for him to do in order to get it enacted. The bill passed years ago, now it's just a matter of waiting for all the benefits to kick in.

Now, don't get me wrong, there are things that could be improved and fixed about the bill but it's currently the law of the land. If Romney were to get elected, all of the hard work Obama, Congress and supporters put in would have been wasted.