1752: That Metal Show
 

"The union guys escorted me down to an office. I thought I was gonna get killed."


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I listened to this one live and loved it. He's a really cool guy and made a great guest. Why nobody asked him to examine Danny (since he fixes messes) is a little strange.

I have an inkling that these messes he's out to fix happen to be of the female persuasion.

I like Metalica and Rush but I'm generally leery of metal bands because some are involved in satanism. The flip side of this is that Slash has a good intro to "Sweet child of mine" and I'm in awe of the trap set that Rush's drummer has.

you are the worst.

metal is theater. it's make up and lights and drama. the metal community is warm and inclusive, appreciative of their artists' craftsmanship, and ultra present in and devoted to their universe. i don't much care for the music itself, but i will spend all day long with their folks and artists. not to mention their penchant for large-scale production. #designboner

Satanic? WTF! Taylor Swift is satanic... Metal is just music.

King Diamond is satanic and metal.

You're religious and mental.

It worries me that WSEIII, by forums rules, is denoted a "senior member".

I'm also older than you.

I wonder if Jim F has a heckler line for religious cunts on forums...?

Glam/Hair metal is like the Nickelback of heavy rock and although I hate the multitude of label music has, I wouldn't describe it as metal. I can appreciate some of the riffs, melodies and vocal prowess but it is like pop/boy band music to me. I'm not saying it is shit because there are a lot of great musicians in the genre but it is just way too cheesy for me.

Steel Panther sum up the genre perfectly and its OK to laugh with them as they are trying to make you laugh;

Heavy Metal comics are cool :cool:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f2...ance/metal.gif

You are such a stereotype it makes me sad.

Dude. This episode had:

POWERFUL Jim Florentine w/ his beautiful, twisted, hilarious, psychological take on life.

Keith re-counting a live DICE show? Circa 1989??

Chemda calling Dave Mustaine a pussy???

Oh. My. Fucking. God. I can't stop cumming/ head-banging/ laughing.

KATG # 1737 w/ K and C discussing Keith's weirdo religious neighbor is an absolute Katguh 2013 contender...but this...this one was just truly kick-ass and awesome and glorious and why KatG makes me all warm and fuzzy.

Also, it's nearly impossible to fuck with Metallica's '...and Justice for All'

Is WSE capable of evolving?

He does like KatG.

I wonder.

God fucking dammit. I wish I had the loot.

every april I wish I was in NYC.

I envy you cocksuckers who get to go to KAtG week.

meh.

I'm drunk. I posted too much. I apologize. However...I fucking love this show. The end.

f'n great show.

I like the new "like" system. I don't want to talk shit about WSE so I just like all the other comments .... whoops


metal song http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-VOsri_LHis

Loved Jim and hope to hear him on the show again.

I once had a Dell technician try to tell me to take a screwdriver to remove my keyboard from my brand new laptop to check a wire. I asked "if I screw this up does it invalidate my warranty??" She REFUSED to answer the question so I of course refused to comply. They ended up sending out a technician. Ridiculous.

I'm drunk and I love the show as well...

Pissed kagter's FTW!!!


There were many other things i wanted to say, but they're all gone.....

Oh fucking taht's right

now i remember

most of the fucking "metal" bnads mentioned were poofter hair rock bands like Warrant or Poison or KISS.

fuck that shit. that's gay hair rock (i.e. Chemda's point about the wankers being worried about their fucking make up) not metal.

fuck everyone who classes that shit as metal. that's fuckign blasphemy.

Right! You know what real non-gay metal is!

Judas Priest! Tight leathers! Now THAT'S deliverin' the goods!

Just so everybody knows what this guy's afraid of, here are some King Diamond lyrics:

Almost every metal artist says that the Satanism stuff is about anti-Christianism and freedom of thought rather than any actual deity, or is a stage show.

Metal has reverence for independence, free thought, comradery, and our shared past, which is just about entirely at odds with Christianity. Hence the Satanism.

Bob, i forced myself to not answer the dude, but, sincerely, thank you for doing that. sometimes i dont have the strength to put idiots in their place as you do.

Why are we entertaining him?

Because he's fascinating.

Well, not to quibble, but King Diamond is an avowed member of the Church of Satan. Some folks call it LaVeyan Satanism, those people are, I suppose, trying to be nice. But we can just call it Satanism.

"That Satanism stuff" in the case of Kind Diamond is pretty close to how you describe it, but slightly more nuanced. Satanist don't believe in an actual devil with horns and a tail either. Only Christians believe that, don't let anyone tell you otherwise.

Metal's co-opting of Satanism and satanic imagery is understandable because it's fucking awesome. But really, most Metal- especially the kind that Keith listens to, isn't borrowing from Satanism or the Occult in any way. Norwegian Black Metal certainly is. Poison, not so much.

That deluded Christian fellow has nothing to worry about, really. He doesn't want Satan and Satan doesn't want him. Neither does Metal unless we're talking about Stryper. And let's not do that.

he rejected the church of satan in recent years after recognizing that any form of belief is basically bullshit.

King Diamond did it for show. It's very clear. I seem to recall him distancing himself from Satanism in an interview somewhere, but that's kind of immaterial. He exploited Satanism for commercial purposes, even if he doesn't admit it and even if he is a member of LaVey's church.

I considered explaining that almost all metal Satanism is either purely a symbol of an anti-Christian message or LaVey Satanism, but it doesn't really matter to that dopey dumbdumb so I said fuck it.

I exclusively refer to LaVey Satanism as LaVey Satanism because, as you point out, Satan is an invention of Christians, and so I consider true, real Satanism to be theistic Satanism. The LaVey stuff is just co-opting a term to be sensational; it has little to do with Christianity or Satan.
I was explaining why Satanism is so much more prevalent in metal than any other musical genre. I'd estimate only 20% of metal involves Satanism.

Satanism to me sounds like you put yourself first and foremost in every situation of life.

I'm not saying it is good or bad. I just like to be more covert in my narcissism.

Also, Josh Latta made a super-sexy Satanic avatar of his Mrs. Did God want me to be aroused every time I see it? Of course He did. I am as he made me.

These are biblical boners, people.

LaVey Satanism actually starts out with some really good life stuff but then devolves into "magick" or what the hell ever that makes me check out. Got no problem with people being into that; kind of like it, actually. But ain't for me.

It's not narcissism. More that Christianity has taught us to be servile, so a religion of strength of the individual seems narcissistic.

Well now we're quibbling goddammit.

Junkenstein, please cite your sources for saying he's rejected the Church of Satan. As far as any form of belief being basically bullshit... well no fucking one any fucking where has no beliefs. King Diamond has said that he's given up on believing anything religious. Which is, in no way, in contradiction with being a member of the CoS. Church of Satan members are atheists, first and foremost.

Which brings me to Cretaceous Bob. I respectfully disagree with your characterization of "true, real Satanism" being theistic. 'True' and 'real' have very specific meanings, and Anton LaVey and the Church of Satan are real and true in that they exist and don't sell lies. That is the domain of Christians. -

Words change meaning through their usage. Satan is a symbol for members of the Church of Satan, based of course on the idea of the biblical Satan, but in no way do they mean it in any corporeal sense. Satan is not the Church of Satan's mascot the way that poor nailed-up bastard Jesus is for Christians. CoS members do not believe in Satan.

"He exploited Satanism for commercial purposes, even if he doesn't admit it and even if he is a member of LaVey's church." Nothing is more Satanic than this.
"The LaVey stuff" as you call it, most certainly chose Satan for its sensational and adversarial connotations, and so what? Satanism is not just 'let's be everything that Christians aren't cuz fuck them." It's a rather sophisticated philosophical position. It should go without saying that it has nothing to do with animal sacrifice and nothing to do with ritual abuse, in case the 90s satanic panic propaganda worked too well on you (and here, I don't mean you, Bob, I mean you as in anyone else reading this. I have a feeling Bob knows all this already.) Satanism is probably not what you think it is, and that's fine. It's not a religion in the traditional sense, and it certainly has nothing to do with the Devil, save in symbolism.

I'm leery of bands who aren't involved in Satanism. (With a capital S. Show some respect.)

For those who want to be closer to the Dark One, listen to Ghost / Ghost BC as they are now named. (They had to add the BC because of another band named Ghost.) There's the heaviness of thrash but slowed down and with a thick slathering of '60s and '70s fuzzy rock / early heavy metal. Melodic and 100% pure evil.

Right, this is all why personally I reserve the term Satanism for theistic Satanism. I guess part of what I mean by that is "real, true" Satanism is the bound counterpoint to God and Jesus in Christianity; that kind of theistic Satanism is literally a part of Christianity's mythology and doesn't exist without it.

By calling it "LaVey Satanism", I am indicating that it is an independent system of beliefs that references an external source. That's how it goes in my head, anyway.

But yes, this is really splitting hairs.
Yeah, I'm just pointing out that King Diamond involved Satanism in his music for reasons other that his deep devotion to a malevolent deity. I'm not saying that's at odds with LaVey Satanism at all, just saying that's what he's done.
Yeah, that's basically what I'm trying to say but I skip over steps because I know it already.

LaVey Satanism certainly is called Satanism for very clear and relevant reasons, but for all intents and purposes, it really has nothing to do with the Christian conception of Satanism or Satan.

Nerds

"In an interview from 2006, King Diamond stated that he does not follow any specific religion, and expressed concern that religion has led so many people to kill and destroy each other. He stated that he cannot comprehend why religion has caused so much death and destruction when it is logically impossible to prove the presence or absence of any god. He states that he has reached a point in his life where he has completely given up believing in anything religious and that he simply does not know what to answer when asked whether he is a Satanist or not."

its on a bunch of websites. i think he is still in the church but when asked abouty it he usually says he doesnt necssarily affiliates with it.

ADD: oh you said it yourself. i stand corrected.

yes.

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