1923: The Art of Charm

[PatDixonNYC]

Originally Posted by OnmyojiOmn

I think Woody Allen is a fucking creep at the very least, and 99.999% likely to a child molester. I hope the media doesn't let him off the hook until his career is over.

What happened with that %? did you run out of 9's?

Are you kidding? They'll never stop, he'll die with this accusation ringing in his ears. But his career is on fire.

Originally Posted by OnmyojiOmn

Chemda's tone when she was debating with Pat quickly grew hostile and petulant. Keith attacked everything Pat said with snide, sarcastic remarks rather than even attempting to have a real conversation. Chemda's attitude in particular tanked the whole episode. I don't disagree with anything either of them said, but it was hard not to tune out. I would be really surprised if Keith and Chemda could listen back and be completely satisfied with their demeanors, and I'd also be surprised if Pat didn't think twice before going back on KATG for another debate.

Hey, Keith and I have had plenty of real conversations. This wasn't one of them, so what. I'll definitely go back on KATG for a debate, even though I really just intended to present a few facts.

[Scumhook]

Originally Posted by PatDixonNYC

What happened with that %? did you run out of 9's?

5 9's is a pretty common figure in some industries.

Five nines - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I guess the implication is that Woody's a high availability molester.

Or maybe the stupid cunt really did run out of 9's.

[PatDixonNYC]

Originally Posted by lizsquiz

Playing Devil's Advocate: We don't call it "Playing Child Rapist Lawyer" around here for nothing. Pat played a great Child Rapist Lawyer.

Thank you, but all I did was say facts. It's not like smoke and mirrors or anything, just true things coming out of a mouth.

[dannyhatch]

Sounds hot

[PatDixonNYC]

Originally Posted by lovebird

This episode was interesting. Woody Allen's arguments against Dylan's allegations are that Mia Farrow coached her into believing she was a rape victim from the age of seven?!

Woody Allen's foremost argument against Dylan's allegations is that he didn't molest Dylan. Here is the statement brought back from the Yale-New Haven Child Sex Abuse Clinic:

“It is our expert opinion that Dylan was not sexually abused by Mr. Allen. Further, we believe that Dylan’s statements on videotape and her statements to us during our evaluation do not refer to actual events that occurred to her on August 4th, 1992... In developing our opinion we considered three hypotheses to explain Dylan’s statements. First, that Dylan’s statements were true and that Mr. Allen had sexually abused her; second, that Dylan’s statements were not true but were made up by an emotionally vulnerable child who was caught up in a disturbed family and who was responding to the stresses in the family; and third, that Dylan was coached or influenced by her mother, Ms. Farrow. While we can conclude that Dylan was not sexually abused, we can not be definite about whether the second formulation by itself or the third formulation by itself is true. We believe that it is more likely that a combination of these two formulations best explains Dylan’s allegations of sexual abuse.”

And Dylan's brother says this:

“My mother drummed it into me to hate my father for tearing apart the family and sexually molesting my sister.” Moses is now 36 years old and a family therapist by profession. “Of course Woody did not molest my sister,” he said. “She loved him and looked forward to seeing him when he would visit. She never hid from him until our mother succeeded in creating the atmosphere of fear and hate towards him.”

Originally Posted by lovebird

God and what pisses me off more is people who think its too late for Dylan to still be talking about it. If you believed you were a rape victim and your rapist was still being lauded by a greater part of Hollywood, wouldn't you have something to say?

Why do you say it that way? If you "believed" you were a rape victim? Think about that.

Originally Posted by lovebird

By refusing to take sides, people dismiss the issue and allow Woody Allen to continue receiving unquestioned praise. People blinded by Woody's artistic input are willing to place him on a pedestal and write articles that focus on discrediting Dylan's story. They are willing to villify Dylan and silence the voice of rape survivors who may have been empowered by Dylan's article.

I am not blinded by anything. I read things, I sort the facts from the hysteria with a critical eye and I make my own informed choice. You should give it a try, you might learn something.

And NOWHERE have I seen a word written by ANYONE that vilifies Dylan.

Originally Posted by lovebird

Also on the Woody Allen and Soon-Yi point, abuse comes from a position of power. Obviously someone who has had a role in providing for you, has an intrinsic power over you. At the end of the day, the criticism Woody Allen apologists receive will never compare to the pain that victims of molestation are left with.

HERE IS AN ARTICLE WRITTEN BY SOON-YI PUBLISHED IN NEWSWEEK, AUG. 1992

In the cacophony of dueling acrimonies rising from the Woody-Mia imbroglio, the one crucially silent voice thus far has been that of the young woman at the heart of the storm, Soon-Yi Farrow Previn, Mia's Korean-born adopted daughter who has become the new love in Woody Allen's life. In the following statement given to NEWSWEEK by Allen's publicist, Soon-Yi finally speaks out for herself

Please don't try and dramatize my relationship with Woody Allen. He was never any kind of father figure to me. I never had any dealings with him. He rarely came to our apartment before his own children were born. Even then, he never spoke and the truth is I never cared that much for him. He was always preoccupied with work and never talked to me. Not really to any of us. Only when Dylan was born did he start visiting regularly and then only to play with the baby. My own father is Andre Previn, who came to visit pretty often and took us all out frequently. When I first got friendly with Woody, he and Mia were finished with their romance and were just friends. I think Mia would have been just as angry if he had taken up with another actress or his secretary. Mia was always very hot-tempered and given to rages which terrified all the kids. They can't speak freely because they're still dependent on her. But they could really tell stories and I'm sure one day will. It's true Mia was violent with me and I have conclusive proof, but I hope she and Woody can somehow head off a custody trial. [Farrow declines to comment on the charges.] The business of him molesting Dylan is so ridiculous that I won't dignify it with a comment. Why Dylan repeats her story is another matter, and a sinister one. I was not surprised that Mia made a videotape of Dylan saying these terrible things as I think the motive is obvious, but I was stunned that the tape would somehow find its way to the TV news. I have a terrific relationship with Woody and realize it's full of dramatic overtones, but it's really quite simple. It revolves around conversations, film talk, sports talk, books and art. He's very quiet and hardworking and finds it amazing and ironic that our relationship is of such interest to people. I don't think Mia should go on adopting children and I think that all her adoptions should have been a warning signal to Woody when he met her. I don't think you can raise 11 (and soon she will have 13) children with sufficient love and care. Take it from one who's lived through it-it can't be done. Some of us got neglected, some got smothered. Anyhow, there's problems. I could say many devastating things about Mia, but I will only do it if I must in a court. From the beginning of their conflict, which I know Woody broke his neck to avoid for the kids' sake, I have refrained from commenting, but when Mia brought up child molestation and then had her sisters and mother and kids and friends parade out in public and do her dirty work for her, climaxing with that tape of Dylan being given out, I felt I had to speak at this point. I'm not a retarded little underage flower who was raped, molested and spoiled by some evil stepfather-not by a long shot. I'm a psychology major at college who fell for a man who happens to be the ex-boyfriend of Mia. I admit it's offbeat, but let's not get hysterical. The tragedy here is that, because of Mia's vindictiveness, the children must suffer. I will always have a feeling of love for her because of the opportunities she gave me, but it's hard to forgive much that followed.

[PatDixonNYC]

Originally Posted by btwn

Wow, I had to register just to respond to this episode.

I don't think I can listen to Pat's podcast anymore.

That's really too bad. I only sought to bring accuracy to this discussion, and I know everything I said to be factually correct. And I declined every invitation to say Dylan was lying or to otherwise insult her, and I truly believe I approached the topic with respect and sensitivity.

Beyond that, I'm powerless over peoples' reactions. Regardless of your flat rejection of what I stand for, it is truth. If you don't like the truth, well I really don't blame you.

[PatDixonNYC]

Originally Posted by Shananigans

I've unsubscribe from Pat's podcast and I've listened since the start. I thought Keith and Chemda did a great job and I think it was sad of Pat to try the old "calm down" bullshit.

I wasn't trying anything!!!
She was really getting hysterical, didn't you hear that?

You're obviously a KATG loyalist. I wish you the best.

[PatDixonNYC]

Originally Posted by Lanfear

So you guys had no problem listening to a show making sometimes quite crude jokes and commentary about murder and rape but listening to Pat trying to stay objective here is what gets you to stop listening to the NYC crime report?

Yeah!

I normally say WAY worse shit than this. I'm going back to the smallest room in NYC! I do believe I've had enough!

[Scumhook]

Originally Posted by PatDixonNYC

She was really getting hysterical, didn't you hear that?

Yes, she was...

I heard it too...

[PatDixonNYC]

Originally Posted by tubefusion

I can't say much about Pat Dixon seeing as i don't know the man but i really think he did a piss poor job of pushing his side of the debate/discussion they were having. He flipflopped around and often, in my opinion, couldn't keep to his own line of thought.
I was curious about his podcast but im thinking i'll leave it alone.

Yes, leave it alone. It's not for you.