2010: Jagged Little Pill

[J. Canines]

Prediction.

Michael's debut comedy album shall be entitled You All Are Wrong. Here Is Why

[MichaelApproved]

Originally Posted by J. Canines

Prediction.

Michael's debut comedy album shall be entitled You All Are Wrong. Here Is Why

I like where this is going. What should I use for album art?

[Sakugenken]

Originally Posted by MichaelApproved

Speak like you're passing legislation. You can't pass a bill that bans "harmful additives" because it's completely ambiguous.

No offense to you but I am seldom trying to get a bill passed, usually just having a conversation. You remind me of a New Zealender I used to work with. I would ask her to pick up a Kiwi from the supermarket for me and she would shake her finger and say, "A kiwi can be a fruit, bird or a person, which do you mean?" I usually answered, "pick me up a bird." Then flipped her one for emphasis.

[robotparker]

Sakugenken, you are correct that these words do have colloquial definitions. They just don't have very useful or helpful ones. Without heroes like me waving my finger around and saying "well, actually..." all the time then everything under the sun would eventually be labelled a "harmful chemical."

[J. Canines]

Originally Posted by MichaelApproved

I like where this is going. What should I use for album art?

Hm. Let's see...

How about you. Screaming from a church pulpit. Perhaps a book is in one hand. Maybe God is not Great or Origin of the Species. Or maybe just a pile of progressive, science-based books around the pulpit, (remember that Rage Against the Machine album that had all the books in the cd sleeve? Always liked that.)

Now. The shot is taken from the back of congregation, but you can tell from the side or back that it encompasses ALL walks of life. Every stereotype: hippies, rednecks, business suits, nuns, single mothers w/ kids, old, young, the whole spectrum. You are educating the masses etc

Zombies are still in. Throw a zombie in. You know. For the kids.

[invader]

Originally Posted by Sakugenken

No offense to you but I am seldom trying to get a bill passed, usually just having a conversation. You remind me of a New Zealender I used to work with. I would ask her to pick up a Kiwi from the supermarket for me and she would shake her finger and say, "A kiwi can be a fruit, bird or a person, which do you mean?" I usually answered, "pick me up a bird." Then flipped her one for emphasis.

I understand what you are saying, but the "everything is chemicals" argument isn't made just for the sake of being pedantic. It's to underline that maybe some people are misguided or just uninformed on the topic that they are arguing about. It's sort of a polite way to say to someone, "you don't know what the fuck you are talking about."

[DWarrior]

Originally Posted by jezna

The most "harmful additive" is sugar, which can go by HFCS, cane juice crystals, caramel, beet sugar, sucrose, dextrose, fruit juice, etc,etc, etc. All of those words for literally the chemical (oh no! a chemical! that we can either make from a lab, or purify from beets!) sucrose: a chemical that remains the same no matter how or where you purify it. Also, no one will argue that eating an apple is bad, yet its full of sucrose. Does adding it to an oreo make it bad? The answer to this ridiculous question is: yes, if you eat too many oreos.

I won't comment on the generalities, but I can comment on the apple:

If your goal is fat loss, eating apples and fruit in general may not be advisable ("bad" in your terms). We lack the enzyme to convert sucrose to muscle glycogen, so your body first has to convert the sucrose to fat, then the fat needs to be converted to glucose without being stored as adipose tissue (fat) in the process. So if your goal is glycogen repletion, you're better off eating glucose directly and avoid potentially storing adipose tissue as a byproduct. If you just want carbs, lower GI complex carbs will control hunger better.

Additionally, apples are not particularly good sources of micronutrients given their calories, plus the skin is laden with pesticides (or possibly salmonella if it's organic). If you peel the skin, you remove most of the few micronutrients that were in the apple.

All that to say, eating an apple may be bad, and hopefully that demonstrates why you need more precise terminology than simply "bad chemicals" and "natural" if your goal is to arrive at a balanced diet that minimizes harm.

Circle jerk on.

[DWarrior]

Originally Posted by Sakugenken

No offense to you but I am seldom trying to get a bill passed, usually just having a conversation. You remind me of a New Zealender I used to work with. I would ask her to pick up a Kiwi from the supermarket for me and she would shake her finger and say, "A kiwi can be a fruit, bird or a person, which do you mean?" I usually answered, "pick me up a bird." Then flipped her one for emphasis.

Using terms like "natural" will result in marketing firms pushing you unhealthy natural products, and you won't know better.

[MichaelApproved]

Originally Posted by Sakugenken

No offense to you but I am seldom trying to get a bill passed, usually just having a conversation. You remind me of a New Zealender I used to work with. I would ask her to pick up a Kiwi from the supermarket for me and she would shake her finger and say, "A kiwi can be a fruit, bird or a person, which do you mean?" I usually answered, "pick me up a bird." Then flipped her one for emphasis.

It seems like we're talking past each other.

The point of "speak like you're trying to pass a bill" is so that people say something tangible. Talk to someone about avoiding foods with "harmful chemicals" and they will learn nothing from the conversation. What's the point?

When you ask for a Kiwi in context of going to the store, of course that's clear. Your friend is being silly. Ask 100 people to get you a Kiwi when they go to the store, you'll get 100 kiwis. Ask 100 people to get you anything that doesn't have "harmful chemicals" from the store, who knows what they'll come back with.

[MichaelApproved]

Originally Posted by DWarrior

Using terms like "natural" will result in marketing firms pushing you unhealthy natural products, and you won't know better.

Bingo. This funny video nails that point.