2016: Shake It Off
 

With Will Petz – Quiet Events and Quiet Clubbing; douche bros in a club; excommunication; the controversial professor’s comments on unconscious rape; James Garner dies; Israel vs. Palestine; Russia shoots down a Malaysian passenger airliner that Jason Biggs jokes about; Gisele Bündchen is still the #1 supermodel; Johnny Utah’s revisited; a police officer gets pizza pranked

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I could see where the quiet clubbing could possibly be expanded to other states and It sounds like a good time to me. The only thing I would be worried about would be how clean are the headphones, because there would be the possibility of getting lice from someone.

The person who got excommunitated from the church was being shown the door because they were homosexual. Homosexuality is a sin and goes against God's plan for humanity. That being said I don't fully understand homosexuality and I need love just like they do.

War is hell and I'm glad Chemda's parents are relatively safe so far. I know they love their homeland, but maybe Chemda and her brothers should think about temporally relocating them here in the U.S. where we're not under the near constant threat of missiles.

I've been enjoying the back and forth on all of the issues from Cumia's "freedom of speech" and the women working suing the bar. It seems like everyone takes the night off and recharges their batteries and tries to think of new scenarios to change each other's minds and then we still end up in a weird stalemate.

Is the crux of the discussion just the idea of the word "surprised"? Keith keeps going back to that phrasing saying women shouldn't be surprised to be violated in these sexy clubs. And Chemda has said a few times that as a woman every time you're harassed is surprising.

Is that the key to all of this? The definition of "surprise"?

Also, does Keith think it's impossible to reign the guys in and get them to behave at these clubs? Or is it just that the club owners would never really consider that anyway because it would cut into their profits if they started enforcing the rules?

I feel like the ladies are doing the right thing in suing if they want the work place environment to change. It will be interesting to see if it makes the club lose revenue once men realize that you can't go there and be an animal I wonder if they'll just stop attending all together.

I do get Keith's point about everyone jumping right to "you're saying it's okay for women to be raped" though. I never got that from his point even the elements of it that I disagree with. And I think once you accuse someone of that it typically shuts down all conversation on the topic. Glad to see everyone working through it b/c these discussions don't happen very often in any medium and it's really interesting to see people grind through it.

Great shows and I love how despite everything Keith and Chemda (and guests) are able to keep the entire thing funny while debating.

Gosh. If only God understood donuts.

God once told a woman to lick my asshole. I'm not sure if it was biblical, but it sure was heavenly.

I think you may be onto something.


Chemda's definition of surprise has human rights underpinning it. A perfect world where bosses can 100% of the time protect their staff from assholes, if assholes even exist.

Keith's definition of surprise is more realist. Keeping in mind that the Keith point is not that these assholes and bosses are right, or entitled or whatever, but just the realist fact that they exist.

:D :D :D :D


fuck me, i pissed myself :D :D :D

90000/10

It needs to be noted that while this show's guest sided publically with Chemda regarding Johnny Utah's, after the show he immediately said to us both, on his own, that he really agreed with me, but if he had said otherwise his girlfriend would "kill him."

He could have just not picked a side, but he picked what he knew women would want to hear.

That might be a little telling also.

The last strip club I went to had heavy enforcement of the 'no touching' rule. There were multiple bouncers walking around the room the whole time. I'm sure some people are allowed to touch, but with the stripper's permission. My point is that it is possible to run a strip club and still enforce no touching. Apparently people still show up.

I hear Keith's side as, enforcing no touching or not, strippers are still going to be touched. It is inevitable and silly to think it is never going to happen.

Chemda is just fighting for the right of women to work there and not be touched.

It comes down to basic risk versus reward. Should men respect women's boundaries at all times. Sure. Is that always going to happen when a guy is drunk with a naked woman grinding on him and the only consequence is getting kicked out. Probably some men will try to touch at some time. That's it.

2016: Shake It Off
 

What? You mean a guy said something they thought their girlfriend wanted to hear instead of giving their own opinion on a topic?

SHOCKING!

So we're all in agreement that it's not right what these guys (customers and management) are doing and we also agree that the women probably had an idea what could happen to them on one level or another when they applied for the job. My question is, is this the only place where a woman shouldn't be too surprised if they end up being harassed? What other job positions should this expectation cover?

The women who work at Hooters are also made to dress provocatively and at the same time the majority of the customers that visit are males. What's stopping these men at Hooters from grabbing their waitresses' tits and ass when she brings them their drinks? Are the men that go there just classier and have more respect for women than the guys that go to strip clubs? Sure, there are vastly different situations going on at each establishment, one has scantily clad women grinding on poles and the other has women in tight fitting clothes serving food, but the reasoning behind it is the same; get guys all horned up so they give a bigger tip/spend more money. I guess I just don't see where the respect to be able to look and not touch ends and the expectation of harassment begins.

I'm definitely more on Chemda's side of this argument in that no one, regardless of place of employment, should be subjected to that type of treatment by customers or their management. Yet, I see Keith's point (I think) as, out of any job in the world, the risk of being verbally and/or physically harassed is drastically increased in the strip club type of environment.


Women who apply for those types of jobs aren't stupid. They know just how harassing and degrading some men can be just by walking down the street on a regular basis. I don't think they're upset that they were pinched or grabbed, I think they're upset because there was no boundary set or enforced by their management or a clear and concise layout of what's considered going too far, resulting in an unsafe work environment.

I think Keith's side is, it should not happen. And you can complain when it happens. Just don't be shocked when it happens.

Nothing. Pay more attention the next time you're at a Hooters.

KaTG is branching-out more and more, inviting guests that have no affiliation with comedy, and making it work. This was a great show. I really like Will as a new guest. (Understandably more quiet during the more controversial topics.)

P.S. I like how Will mentioned how his main weakness is that he's "too nice", comping whomever asks. Seeing as this is Keith and Chemda's new destination for their circle of friends, it's rather "convenient" that they chose him to be a guest on their show.

2016: Shake It Off
 

Well, I'll admit, I've never been to either Hooters or to a strip club so you got me there! Haha.

I didn't intend for my comment to sound like I was stating harassment has never happened at a Hooters. That'd be dumb to think, especially since harassment could happen anywhere.

In Idaho, (among other places I'd imagine) there are coffee shops where the baristas wear nothing but bikinis while on the job. Should they be surprised if/when they're groped as well? It's not the same environment as a strip club, or even Hooters, but the company is using sex to sell their products just as much has the other two companies. What differentiates all three of these occupations from not being surprised when they're harassed? What if it happened to a female lifeguard or personal trainer?

I'm really not trying to argue or start shit with you Keith, or anyone for that matter. I'm just curious if every job that requires a woman to wear a revealing uniform to work falls in the same category as the Johnny Utah's situation or if the lack of surprise when harassment occurs only pertains to women who work at a strip club.

You know it doesn't.

You know there's a difference between the vibe at a Hooters and a strip club vs. the vibe at a gym or a coffee shop.

With peace and love I won't even address this.

I can see both Keith and Chemda point of view on this. I believe a women should be able to work anywhere, no matter what the industry is, and not feel threatened or harassed. But my belief, just like religion, is still not reality.

Reality is that it will happen and if a woman works in a industry where they are selling "sex" then you need to hire women who are willing to use their bodies, not their minds, to make a profit.

I personally, would never work in a place like Johnny Utah's cause I don't want my titties and ass grabbed every two seconds for money. But some women will for the right amount of money and men thank God for women like this. So the lawsuit is bullshit. The women knew what they were signing up for.

I trust and hope that this is still a thing by the time of the next KATG week. It sounds super fun.

This whole thing seems to be a big misunderstanding because both Keith and Chemda are right. Here's how I see how this happened using a different, less controversial news story.

1) Keith brought up a news story where the cable company was being sued because their costumer service was bad.
2) Keith then made the point that if you call the cable company and didn't expect to get bad customer service you were stupid.
3) Chemda and half the audience then got upset with Keith because they decided his saying "you should expect bad costumer service" is the same as saying the cable companies should be providing bad customer service.
In reality Keith was actually saying "You shouldn't be surprised, but the cable companies SHOULD change and that a lawsuit is a good thing.

I don't think I could still be a fan of this show if I actually believed Keith was a complete sexist asshole but he sure likes to rile us up with clever wordplay (as is his job)

But he absolutely does phrase his words deliberately shitty and unfortunately there are lots of super dumb idiots out there that won't recognize subtleties so I'd rather he speak out about this topic as clearly and unmistakable as he has about other topics.

Three threads and we are finally starting to get to the point. The main problem is two fold.

It's not that men aren't educated about not putting their hands on a woman (you learn not to put your hands on people in pre-K). These men know it and do it anyway, they don't give a fuck. Granted this is a relatively small portion of men. But they are out there doing it regardless of the consequence.

The second and more important problem is that these are the type of men that are attracted to bars like Johnny Utah's.

It's not about men not being able to control themselves in the presence of titties, its about men who knowingly chose not to. It's also about the fact that they seem to all gather in a specific location like this. With all that information wouldn't the most logical choice be to avoid that location all together? Wouldn't choosing not to work there no matter what and having that place close down be more empowering?

It would be a whole lot easier if women didn't apply at these places, most definitely. But not all women are/would be upset with the type of things that could happen in those clubs. Especially with the amount of money they make.

But I see it as a supply/demand situation personally. As long as those women don't care how the patrons act or treat them, there will always be a demand for titty bars.

Yes. Women have the option, (hell we ALL have the option) to choose where we work. What happens when this is the only workplace available?

It's precisely why we have laws and regulations about what is appropriate in the work place. These women aren't lesser people. They are attractive women; in a sexy work environment.

It's incredibly dismissive to just assume they will be touched. IT IS A WORK PLACE for crying out loud. Some of you are acting like these women are just deciding to walk down a dark alley at night.

And what if they were. Is that somehow different?

To begin, I like your post. I liked it but then I read this last part.

What about the women who have no choice but to take these kinds of jobs? I mean, the tips have to be incredible. What about a single mother of two, who happens to have great tits and would like to work at a bar that tips well?

Sure. In the best of all possible worlds a place like this would be avoided. I certainly wouldn't want my daughter working there, but fuck it man, you gotta pay rent, cover bills, feed kids, gas up the car and the long list of other shit you do on the daily.

It's a capitalist society. We run on money. People are going to do what needs to be done to make ends meet. Can't we make it as humane and positive for everyone, as we can??

I call bullshit. Pics or it didn't happen!

You're smart and your post is thought provoking, but it is still written with bias.

You are a man who is not in this position. It is very easy for you and me, (me - I have a dick - not much of one but still a dude) to say what women should and should not do.

You don't have great tits. You don't have to work for tips. It's not the same.

FUCK! Ya got me.

That's it. I retract all previous posts. Keith wins.

Now where is that delete button...:D

I haven't been seeing any poll updates from you, buddy. What's it say up top?

Uh huh.

So how about that weather huh? Pretty hot in the summer...

This debate about the strippers is not even a debate. People should be aware of the risks of their jobs. Boss should find a way to protect the employees or it's exploitation and the employees could leave or sue.

Lets change to a different job with obvious risk: police.
"Oh em gee! A deranged individual is attacking me! I am surprised that this would happen to me as a police man/woman."

Keith's opinion as far as I understand: That policeman/woman is dumb for thinking that wouldn't happen.
Chemda's opinion as far as I understand: I disagree. The city should protect the police and people should behave.

Both opinions are not opposite opinions to begin with and I agree with both. I don't know why Chemda keeps debating. Keith gets my vote because Chemda shouldn't be surprised by Keith's dumb or blunt opinions because it's her fault for taking the job.

Pretty sure Keith is saying that being groped is a known occupational hazard of working as a sexy waitress. The groping is wrong, but anyone working there should understand that there's a probability it will happen from time to time. Management should absolutely be throwing those people out, minimum. However Keith is 1000% right that if you work there you should be no more surprised than if you get an illegal hit in football.

Chemda is not hearing Keith and keeps turning the conversation toward a right vs wrong talk with regards to physical harassment. Keith's initial position did not say it was OK to do and he outright agreed with Chemda that those men groping the waitresses are unequivocally wrong (as I'd hope most people would).

If you work with kleptomaniacs, you might have some of your clientel steal from you. If you work with pervs, you might get groped. It doesn't make it right but if you really honestly are shocked by the possibility you're definitely too dumb to be responsible for yourself.

I think we all agree women should be respected and not harassed. There are two reasons the world does not work perfectly in enforcing this. Money and mental illness. That is all.

Whoa there dickbreath, that's a pretty fucking broad statement.

How to end up on the floor
 

Chemda: "What do you call people who love fucking people after they're dead?"

Keith: "Priests?"

I'm afraid I missed the next few minutes of conversation

There's a lot of strength in that little tale. :)

Since whoring it up is the world's oldest profession, you'd think it would have made so many more advancements towards civility. And yet it hasn't. Shocking. :rolleyes:

I noticed recently that the dress code for girls at my local high school ( 12 to 17 yrs old approximately ) is that the girls all wear shorts to school rather than skirts - the same shorts as the boys. This desexualises the appearance of these young women considerably, which I'd say is a good thing. - Although I'd guess that most of the students of both sexes might disagree.

In your opinion.

But when you think of a nice moist illegal pussy under those shorts; at the top of those long, smooth legs; then the shorts work very, very nicely indeed...

They are pretty daggy shorts. :)

You're missing the pussy.

I mean point. Missing the point.

That's what she said.