2125: Don't Look Down

[Keith]

He sleeveless point you're only saying to be controversial.

[Scumhook]

Originally Posted by Keith

He sleeveless point you're only saying to be controversial.

I'm trying to check my sartorial privilege.

[Scumhook]

Also, while we're busy legislating what people can do with their bodies, let's stop those pesky loose women who are killing their poor innocent unborn babies.

[DaveNJ]

People here seem to have a weird definition of consent. The idea that one can consent to sex with a direct family member ignores the blatant power dynamic issues at play in a familial relationship. A daughter cannot have consensual sex with a father any more than a passed out person can have consensual sex.

All of the defenses here are predicated on "well, if they consent...", but they can't consent. Do I want to throw people in jail for having non-consensual sex? Yes! That's very different than throwing people in jail for smoking weed. Sign me up for building privately-run prisons that give their profits directly to Monsanto and Dick Cheney if that's what it takes.

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by DaveNJ

A daughter cannot have consensual sex with a father any more than a passed out person can have consensual sex.

for the purpose of this conversation, we are going to assume the daughter is a fully grown, mentally competent individual.

if we're going to talk discrepancy, there's a world of difference between consensual incest and being assaulted while physically incapacitated. there's no lack of physical competency on the woman's part here.

a grown woman can absolutely consent to have sex with her dad. that's a literal thing she can do. i do not, however, think either party should face criminal charges. taking punitive actions against people here just seems like it doesn't fix any problems. it's relatively rare, non-violent, and doesn't involve minors. it doesn't make the general public safer to have these people locked away on our dime. it's gross and probably a big life mistake for all parties involved, but i think we can all just stay out of it unless she is being raped, coerced, exploited, or trafficked.

[Enunciated Piffle]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

do we really need to legislate this little bit of gross?

There are foster parents who adopt children for sexual slavery. We understand that this is wrong. Do you fine them or jail them? How is grooming children for sexual partners, (literally manipulating them as a minor) any different?

Sparrow, I've seen you make some great arguments before on this forum. I just don't think the "Prison for Profit system" extends to this one.

This is why pot needs to be legalized. People know it's not as harmful as beer. They also know that we are profiting on drug users via penal system. It confuses people.

I honestly believe Sparrow is not only wrong when it comes to incest; I think she's doing pot legalization a huge disservice by comparing the two. I don't think she's dumb. I think she's stoned and over-reaching.

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by Enunciated Piffle

There are foster parents who adopt children for sexual slavery. We understand that this is wrong. Do you fine them or jail them? How is grooming children for sexual partners, (literally manipulating them as a minor) any different?

grooming children is already illegal. adopting children for illicit purposes is trafficking, exploitation, and coercion.

also, get off my D about smoking weed jerkoff.

[Scat]

This seems like a hard/impossible thing for police and child services to monitor, I have no idea how they would do it. How can you tell what is simple fatherly love and what is grooming? (I know there are signs of grooming, but with a dad would it not get murkier?) If someone could come up with a conceivable way that doesn't cause undo inconvenience to everyone, then go for it I guess.

And I'm not really interested in debating the relative cost to taxpayers, considering all the other dumb shit our taxes go towards sometimes, I would certainly want it to go towards protecting children.

[Sparrow]

FOR THE CHILDREN!!! FOR THE CHILDREN!!!

i'm all about protecting children. i'm also about the State staying the fuck out of the bedrooms of willing grown up people.

[Enunciated Piffle]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

also, get off my D about smoking weed jerkoff.

Quit dragging your weed sack to the incest debate.

I really don't get Cock Rings and Sparrow's "No legislation/ less government" argument. It stinks of Libertarians.

Personal freedom always ends when it affects others in an immediate negative way. If you can't see that; I don't know what else can be said.