2161: She's Always a Woman

[DaveNJ]

Originally Posted by marykae

Work harder. Sounds like she's raising the bar. That's good for a sport. According to Wikipedia she hasn't even had that many professional fights, and she lost one. Sounds like she can be taken down. Are we speculating about what *might* happen in the future?

Is there a line between raising the bar and an unfair edge? If so, where? If not, then why even have gender divisions for competitive fighting?

[marykae]

Originally Posted by DaveNJ

Is there a line between raising the bar and an unfair edge? If so, where? If not, then why even have gender divisions for competitive fighting?

If she has lost to a cis woman before, seems to me like we are still in "raising the bar" stage.

Also, your second question sounds like you're still thinking of her as a man, which we agreed is not the case.

[Keith]

No, he's saying if the big-boned lady is fair simply because it raises the bar then why not have actual men raise the bar as well?

[Bucho]

Originally Posted by marykae

I think she meant "naturally high testosterone levels." But I'm just guessing.

The naturalness doesn't doesn't matter because (unless an athlete owns up) there's no way to judge it. The outcries continue regardless.

[marykae]

Originally Posted by Keith

No, he's saying if the big-boned lady is fair simply because it raises the bar then why not have actual men raise the bar as well?

Because it's the women's division? I don't understand how this is even a question.

[Bucho]

Originally Posted by DaveNJ

Which is fine to say now, but think of the Fallon Fox example of the fighter happening to win EVERY time.

Easy tiger with that one. She's not an example of the fighter winning EVERY time.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by marykae

Because it's the women's division? I don't understand how this is even a question.

It's a question because that is his question.

C'mon now. Behave.

[DaveNJ]

Originally Posted by marykae

Because it's the women's division? I don't understand how this is even a question.

The point is that women's divisions exist, but if they didn't, this wouldn't even be an issue. If you think that "raising the bar" is the most important thing, then why even have a women's division? At what point does the line cease to be arbitrary/pointless?

[marykae]

Originally Posted by Keith

It's a question because that is his question.

C'mon now. Behave.

You're right Keith, there's no such thing as a stupid question. I apologize.

[marykae]

Originally Posted by DaveNJ

The point is that women's divisions exist, but if they didn't, this wouldn't even be an issue. If you think that "raising the bar" is the most important thing, then why even have a women's division? At what point does the line cease to be arbitrary/pointless?

Raising the bar for women, specifically. Lots of women have physical advantages over other women, that does not make them men.