I'm trying to educate, not win fights.

No one likes the teacher.

Better call the cops then Teach, one of your students is outta control.

I believe the Germans do something much more self-satisfying than laugh at that situation.

FYI - here's a joke going around the interwebs. I bet that if the roles were reversed, the situation would have been much different. I can't imagine a woman taking a full kick to the face from a man or woman and just laughing it off. However, we'd still laugh at the clip.

https://i.chzbgr.com/maxW500/8271310848/hED34545F/

EDIT: Let the record show that I have been hit directly in the face by 1 man, 3 women, 1 baseball, and 1 steering wheel. At 6'2" and 230-290 pounds at the times, I can say that all 6 hits surprised me. However, only the man (busted open my cheek), baseball (broke my glasses, split my cheekbone, and busted open my cheek), and steering wheel (broke my glasses, split my cheekbone, busted open my cheek, broke my neck, and gave me a concussion) physically hurt me. All three direct hits to the face from ladies resulted in them bending over in agony from the pain in their arms. I did not deserve any of the 6 hits, and the only person I ever hit back was the man that tried to rob the store I was working at.

She said it wasn't her intention to "bother someone in that way" but that's exactly what she did.
A trans female can fight cis women in mma but its okay for this chick to do to people what girls complain that men do all the time? Its harassment. Because she's cute and tiny, quote, "it is what it is".

The fuck?

"87% agreed with me"
"so what?"
What was the point of the poll then? I feel like chemda's reaction might have been a teeny bit different had the 87% agreed with her.

This argument just got so fucking silly in this episode. If the MMA says its okay, fine these are their rules. That doesn't mean anyone cant say "I disagree. I think this is unfair and wrong."

THE POLL WASN'T EVEN MY IDEA!!!

Can we have another one in two years? Chemda could calendar it. If the percentages keep sliding in the direction they are, that too, will be science.

I would've been annoyed but probably then figured out this was a gag cuz its just too goofy

No deal. I can't take the risk of science being ignored again in 2 years. My scientific heart can't take it.

You do you, Keith.

Chemda kept talking about how there can be minor differences in strength or bone density between competitors already. I am wondering if she thinks there shouldn't be any separation of genders in MMA, just match people up by weight class?

Has there ever been another poll that won with an 87% that still inspired such debate?

I'd watch Co-ed MMA fights based on rank, weight, & height class. That sounds amazing.

I think Chemda would only advocate people fighting themselves. It's the only way to know for sure.

No she doesn't think that since she brought up, multiple times that she believes due to hormone therapy that woman who transitioned would have comparable muscle mass and to women born with a woman body. Her point throughout has been the body of both women being made the same due to chemical therapy and with that starting point them both training and weight lifting as an athlete would they should be on fair ground to fight each other.

I still disagree but I think her point was understandable and that she wasn't just arguing for arguing's sake as some in this thread seem to think

Ha ha that's funny shit. It drove me crazy every time she said something like there is always a edge with one of the fighters. It's very true but the goal is to keep the edge as slight as possible. Other wise why not just let Mike Tyson fight these girls sure he has a edge but he sounds kinda feminine.

Okay, thanks. I was hoping it was more along those lines.

I'd watch them even if they weren't based on rank, weight, or height class. In fact, I'd ESPECIALLY watch!

She keeps asserting that she has presented facts and that Keith has yet to refute them, but mostly they are not facts because we do not have them. (I mean, science doesn't and we, as in us here, definitely do not have them.) At best she is applying things she knows about transgender therapy to a context that, as far as anyone knows, it doesn't apply to. So yes, understandable as in I comprehend what she is saying, but not understandable in a broader way as in she doesn't understand what's she's talking about because she can't because no one does.

And in the absence of facts, MMA has decided to err on the side of not being sued and us talking about it endlessly and that is understandable.

Really the only question here is one of belief and that argument never ends.

I smell a Kickstarter for "Scumhook vs Fiona" extravaganza. I'd pay 59.99 for that pay per view.

Under card can be Danny vs Hugsy but she has to agree to not peeing on his leg as a distraction.

Hugs just smiled as if to say, "No promises."

I remember when there was no weight class in ufc. Really there was no rules except you couldn't do low blow or bite. But kick em in the head if you want while there down. Was fun to watch actually remember watching a very cool fight where a light heavy weight sized guy went to work on a big ole sumo. Ended up knocking him out. Those where the days when tank Abbott would come out and under style of fighting it said bar fighter, and he would even have a beer in the cage. Couple rules made it boring you could just wrap a guy up in a grapple move and nothing happens forever and they didn't make them stand up. Gracie did that all the time.

I support her feelings that she's a woman, socially I think we can all agree we should accept her as such. But biologically speaking she has not been for the vast majority of her life (including the most crucial development periods like childhood and puberty), so comparing her to other girls in a system which is ostensibly trying to match fighters as closely as possible seems unfair. Even if she has identical bone density and muscle structure you can't account for more nebulous aspects of testosterone that some guys have like the mental makeup that can turn them into competitive blood-hungry maniacs (I've never heard a woman threatening to eat babies like Tyson, for instance). Hormones are a hell of a thing, but we aren't at the point where we know the entire impact of them on the human body, and there isn't any evidence I know of that says 7 years of estrogen completely erases 30 years of development with testosterone. Is there?

mental makeup? i think personal temperament is flimsy. we'd have to assess biological women on those metrics as well and that seems silly.

Fallon "The Queen of Swords" Fox MMA Stats, Pictures, News, Videos, Biography - Sherdog.com

So Fallon Fox isn't undefeated, and interestingly she looks more 'womanly' than several other fighters. For example Cristiane "Cyborg" Justino MMA Stats, Pictures, News, Videos, Biography - Sherdog.com.

Cyborg has also tested positive for anabolic steroids in the past and received a year ban.

From what I've read, Fallon has received a lot of criticism because she appears to be smashing her opponents with strength rather than skill. Though this same criticism has been levelled at Cyborg (though perhaps not as loudly).

A lot of the criticism around the how thorough the UFC regulations are regarding transgender women point to the lack of data and scientific understanding on the effects of bone structure (not just density) and in particular muscle retention (endurance and the effects of aerobic exercise).

As a side note, the effects of bone structure that people are concerned about are:
- the size of the shoulders; this can provide a mechanical advantage in combat due to the higher levels of torque the body can produce to swing a punch etc.
- the orientation of the legs to the hip bones and the thickness of the leg bones. The shape of women's hip bones are different to a males because of the pressure placed on the body when undergoing child birth. The difference in shape if I recall correctly makes it easier for a woman's leg to angle sidewards (sidesplits), at a cost of being unable to deliver as much forward thrust power through the legs as males.

More than that, she absorbs the initial barrage that everyone fighting her seems to think they need to come out of the gate with, then they tire themselves out and she can dismantle them or just knock them out (or in the case of Tamikka Brents, smash her orbital bone, the long term effects of which we don't yet know.) She's not a bad fighter, but she isn't great either. She can outlast people a decade or more younger than she is, some that are bigger than her even, because she can take hits than no other woman can. (Maybe Cyborg and Rousey can too. But they're better at not getting hit in the same way.)

We don't even fully understand how or why a person gets knocked out, so to know what effect having at some point been male might have on fighting women is impossible.

The anecdotal evidence is: you can get hit on the button over and over and not go down and you can punch people's eyes out.

This is a very very good point.

I've seen some evidence for people with larger jaws withstanding more force before concussion. It would be interesting to see an research piece on the structural difference in male and female jaw development and the resultant propensity for concussion.

From my (admittedly limited) understanding of the complex biological details I'd actually argue that changes in hormone levels have a pretty high impact on your mental state.

A lot of the physical changes are mainly fat redistribution, because yeah our sexy boobs/hips/butts are pretty much fat deposits. Depending on your diet & exercise you can work to maintain muscle & bone density and of course the actual bone structure never goes away as was pointed out in previous posts.

Yeah I watched that Tamika brents fight. That was it for me. I thought immediately this just ain't fair. Then heard all the damage she did. Damage that doesn't happen in WMMA, and heard Tamika say that she has never felt such power in a fight or felt so helpless. Tamika is not a little helpless girl she is a bad woman. For her to say that told me alot.


Fallon left Tamika right

It does have a large impact, and in this case it probably wouldn't be a benefit to Fallon Fox.

Women are better at handling fluctuating hormone levels than men because of how the female system is setup. I would imagine that if you transitioned from a male to female body then you would face quite a few psychological challenges to balance out your mental state when you start taking oestrogen. You would probably feel quite bipolar for the first few years as your brain and body adjusted.

Hmm...

Yeah I saw that too. I can think of a few days in the month that my girlfriend doesn't seem to handle those fluctuating hormones that well.

Or than again maybe she does and that's why I am not dead yet.

Ok, for one thing, my point is not that a male bodied person and a female bodied person don't handle their hormone fluctuations to the same degree.

Female bodied people naturally have to deal with more fluctuations in their hormone levels and are thus better equipped to handle this than male bodied people that are transitioning to female bodies.

So couldn't that be a advantage for Fallon? She can't handle it and just rages out on her opponent with all her other advantages. No filter

You can't just associate the up and downs of a woman's hormonal cycle with rage. Rage is one direction, if you were raging all the time you would be stable in that direction. Fallon would be dealing with a heightened sensitivity to emotional input that she would not have had to deal with when she was male bodied. Sensitivity to things like doubt and anxiety among other things including anger.

It's just my opinion that Fallon would have to be more careful and watchful of herself mentally, at least in the first few years after she started the transition.

I'll take your word for it. I have never had hormonal fluctuations. I will say this though. There where times when my girlfriend was pregnant where the littlest things put the fires of hell in her eyes. It was fucking scary. And I got a feeling that if she had a male body the time I forgot to get her snickers and Doritos at the store she would have broke my damn jaw. Least it felt that way.

Maybe women handle it just fine. It's MEN that can't handle the way they handle it.

That's probably more true than you realize. I've heard addiction medicine specialists state that the effects of narcotics in a person are much easier to predict than the effects of testosterone. Statistically, males age 13-29 commit the vast majority of violent crimes. The one thing they have in common is testosterone pumping through them. Females in the same age range commit more violent crimes than those outside the age range, but it is at a rate less than 20% of the males.

http://4e7221.medialib.glogster.com/...rime-curve.jpg

Also, break a leg tonight on stage. I wish I could be there.

On second thought, break someone else's leg tonight. Your knees are bad enough.

Is there a reason your crime graph is black & white?

If you need to use the N-word in your answer, it's OK, we all know what it means.