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Michael's Servant 04-14-2015 12:00 AM

2163: Breast in Show
 
with Caitlin Brodnick – Keith’s evacuated apartment; Caitlin’s preemptive double mastectomy; sobriety; Barry Manilow is homosexual; the surgeon mocked on Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt killed himself because of the show; Scientologist David Miscavige spies on his own father; a college-aged Jon Hamm was arrested for intense hazing

Guest:
Caitlin Brodnick
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PsychoLoco 04-14-2015 07:41 AM

This is one of the shows that make me upset I'm not in the same timezone to see the video.

Keith, when you say "Calvin pissing on the Ford sign," do you mean Calvin on one and Ford on the other with the piss arching over, or both on one breast?

iheartnihilism 04-14-2015 10:00 AM

I, too, have drunkenly fallen up stairs. Its not easy, being wasted and having a bit of momentum helps.

Lanfear 04-14-2015 10:11 AM

I have managed to tangle up my legs and fall on my butt stone cold sober walking along the street. Drunken stairs falling sounds very normal.

This show was delightful, it was such fun to listen to her ;-)

KOUNTRY 04-14-2015 11:02 AM

Keith has the best revenge plots. My neighbor has the most annoying dog. Barks all night wakes me up, and i never thought of taking there mail and giving it to them in middle of night when dog wakes me up. Awesome idea.




Oh hi looks like I woke you up sorry bout that. Any ways your dog was barking and it reminded me hey I got there mail they might need it. Here you go ��

Professor Subterfuge 04-14-2015 01:38 PM

I don't like this Dr Brandt blaming others for his suicide. I mean, Joan Rivers hated herself for decades. Endless plastic surgery brought her constant public mockery. Did she waiver? No. She perservered in her self loathing. She continued to fuck her face up. Hell. She even got her daughter to butcher her face.

Instead of blaming one nearly obscure comedic portrayal on some dumb Netflix show. Maybe we should question whether or not messing with your face is a good idea.

Rotten titty meat? Bad back? THIS is cause for surgery. Caitlin was awesome. Super funny A+

dori 04-14-2015 02:19 PM

Oh my god, haven't finished this episode yet but she's amazing!

Caitlin is so well informed and hilarious, her sense of humor about such tough topics is really uplifting.

I'm going to pretend KATG forums have a clap emoji, because this episode is aces :D:D:D:D:D:D

GreeningOA 04-14-2015 02:44 PM

Every time a show appears in the feed that wasn't on the calendar I feel like there was a tear in the matrix.

Electric Squirrel 04-14-2015 05:38 PM

Chemda has said on a couple episodes that in female MMA you can't hit the chest. It sounded like an odd rule to me so I looked it up. Its not a rule.
As it turns out women cannot wear groin protection but must wear chest protection and men must wear groin protection but cannot wear chest protection. As far as hits go though chest hits are perfectly legal on all sexes and groin hits are just not allowed.

iheartnihilism 04-14-2015 06:14 PM

I voted yes. I plan on getting a reduction within the next two years anyway, lets just wipe the slate clean if you will, and start fresh. My insurance would cover it.

ghauck 04-14-2015 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by iheartnihilism (Post 841985)
I voted yes. I plan on getting a reduction within the next two years anyway, lets just wipe the slate clean if you will, and start fresh. My insurance would cover it.

I'm sure scumhook would reply with something like " G'Day, Give a bloke a fair go and share those knockers on a thread so we can follow this walk about with you"

Myself, I would never stoop so low and wish to treat this BRCA1 gene discussion with the dignity it deserves and thus submit it should be shared on a private twitter feed.

Bucho 04-14-2015 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Electric Squirrel (Post 841983)
Chemda has said on a couple episodes that in female MMA you can't hit the chest.

You sure that's what she said about getting hit in the chest? I don't remember it that way at all. I just remember her pointing out that getting boobs is a disadvantage in fighting terms.

rodimusprime 04-14-2015 08:53 PM

With all the talk about the MMA transgender discussion I wonder where the crew would fall on this topic.

A transgender man wants to be on the cover of Mens Health. He is leading in the votes right now and might make it. Is it okay when the gender competition goes from woman towards man instead of a man transitioned to a woman?

Meet Aydian Dowling, The Trans Hunk Aiming For A ?Men?s Health? Cover - The Daily Beast

Keith 04-14-2015 08:57 PM

I'm fine with anyone being on the cover of anything. It's when people can get hurt is where there's an issue.

Anyone who sees a woman though should be pleased that there's finally a woman on the cover of that gay magazine.

KOUNTRY 04-14-2015 09:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rodimusprime (Post 842004)
With all the talk about the MMA transgender discussion I wonder where the crew would fall on this topic.

A transgender man wants to be on the cover of Mens Health. He is leading in the votes right now and might make it. Is it okay when the gender competition goes from woman towards man instead of a man transitioned to a woman?

Meet Aydian Dowling, The Trans Hunk Aiming For A ?Men?s Health? Cover - The Daily Beast

I agree with Keith on this one no one going to get physically hurt. On the issue of my thoughts of it being same situation as the Fallon debate. Lets say a transgender male wanted to compete in the MMA. That's easy for me. Obviously it's up to him in that situation but I wouldn't want to watch him fight the natural males. There would b way to much of a disadvantage for him. I couldn't get into watching that.

marykae 04-14-2015 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 842005)
I'm fine with anyone being on the cover of anything. It's when people can get hurt is where there's an issue.

Anyone who sees a woman though should be pleased that there's finally a woman on the cover of that gay magazine.

Wait. Really? I thought this whole thing was about having a fair competition. My opinion wouldn't have changed if I had realized it was about safety, but my discussion points may have.

Keith 04-14-2015 09:16 PM

What?

What's the difference?

Yes, I care about a person with a man's body beating the shit out of women that don't have a choice if they want to compete.

Oh my goodness...

Eric M 04-14-2015 09:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marykae (Post 842008)
Wait. Really? I thought this whole thing was about having a fair competition. My opinion wouldn't have changed if I had realized it was about safety, but my discussion points may have.

I'm sure you'd have been much more reasonable.

marykae 04-14-2015 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 842010)
What?

What's the difference?

Yes, I care about a person with a man's body beating the shit out of women that don't have a choice if they want to compete.

Oh my goodness...

I never said you didn't care about ladies getting hurt, Keith. Come on.

There's a huge difference. That's why sports have rules for safety, and rules for... I guess morality?

Can I use roller derby as an example? Ok, thanks.

In roller derby we have a rule that states you can't hit someone in the back, in the knees, or above the shoulders. This is about skater safety. We also have a rule that states you can't gain relative position over someone while out of bounds. This is about having a fair game and has zero to do with the safety of the skaters.

Additionally, many of the comments I read in the other threads seemed specifically about fairness in competition.

marykae 04-14-2015 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric M (Post 842012)
I'm sure you'd have been much more reasonable.

When was I not reasonable?

DaveNJ 04-14-2015 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marykae (Post 842008)
Wait. Really? I thought this whole thing was about having a fair competition. My opinion wouldn't have changed if I had realized it was about safety, but my discussion points may have.

Safety/competitive balance are two sides of the same coin when it comes to competitive sports that are violent. Boxing, wrestling, etc. have a competitive framework based around competitors of similar weight, size and makeup so as to allow people to participate. Without those limits, people run the risk of serious injury or death, and the injured/dead can't compete.

That's the underpinning of a weight class system.

For MMA or boxing, safety/competition are interchangeable. It's why boxing gloves have changed over time, and it's why men don't fight women of the same weight.

marykae 04-14-2015 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveNJ (Post 842018)
Safety/competitive balance are two sides of the same coin when it comes to competitive sports that are violent. Boxing, wrestling, etc. have a competitive framework based around competitors of similar weight, size and makeup so as to allow people to participate. Without those limits, people run the risk of serious injury or death, and the injured/dead can't compete.

That's the underpinning of a weight class system.

For MMA or boxing, safety/competition are interchangeable. It's why boxing gloves have changed over time, and it's why men don't fight women of the same weight.

That makes sense from the standpoint of the MMA.

That's not really how I approached/thought about the poll, however. But I concede that maybe I'm the only one.

Eric M 04-14-2015 09:51 PM

That's both yours and chemdas problem. You don't understand that a different point is being made. You jump straight to everyone should be treated the same when that's just not true. Not everything is for everyone.

marykae 04-14-2015 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Eric M (Post 842022)
That's both yours and chemdas problem. You don't understand that a different point is being made. You jump straight to everyone should be treated the same when that's just not true. Not everything is for everyone.

I still don't agree, and I think that the women competing should decide what's safe for them, even if it means splitting the sport. Though I do admit that my views on splitting the sport are pretty much based entirely on what we do in roller derby (there are quite a few rule sets).

I am, however, much more understanding of that point of view and am less likely to write you all off of my island if I had an island.

Keith 04-14-2015 10:08 PM

Yes! The women competing should decide what's safe for them!

You're gonna give me an aneurysm!

marykae 04-14-2015 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 842027)
Yes! The women competing should decide what's safe for them!

You're gonna give me an aneurysm!

They should decide what's safe for them and then decide whether or not to participate in this sport.

I don't join football and say "except I don't want to be tackled, because some of these women may be stronger than I am and I don't feel safe."

KOUNTRY 04-14-2015 10:14 PM

I think the majority of woman competing have decided what's safe for them. Seems like the all are saying Fallon shouldn't be fighting.

KOUNTRY 04-14-2015 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marykae (Post 842028)
They should decide what's safe for them and then decide whether or not to participate in this sport.

I don't join football and say "except I don't want to be tackled, because some of these women may be stronger than I am and I don't feel safe."

Would you join football and then say every one else can't where pads just me?

DaveNJ 04-14-2015 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marykae (Post 842028)
They should decide what's safe for them and then decide whether or not to participate in this sport.

I don't join football and say "except I don't want to be tackled, because some of these women may be stronger than I am and I don't feel safe."

But then how can women decide to exclude men for the purposes of safety and competition? It seems like your fine with one cutoff, but not another.

The entire issue here is the validity of a hard gender cutoff.

marykae 04-14-2015 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KOUNTRY (Post 842029)
I think the majority of woman competing have decided what's safe for them. Seems like the all are saying Fallon shouldn't be fighting.

Is this true? Or is it just high profile fighters like Rousey saying this?

I feel very strongly that people should advocate for their own personal safety. If everyone feels that it's dangerous to fight Fallon, then they shouldn't fight Fallon, trans or not.

marykae 04-14-2015 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaveNJ (Post 842031)
But then how can women decide to exclude men for the purposes of safety and competition? It seems like your fine with one cutoff, but not another.

The entire issue here is the validity of a hard gender cutoff.

I have answered you on a very similar question before and am opting not to repeat myself.

KOUNTRY 04-14-2015 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marykae (Post 842032)
Is this true? Or is it just high profile fighters like Rousey saying this?

I feel very strongly that people should advocate for their own personal safety. If everyone feels that it's dangerous to fight Fallon, then they shouldn't fight Fallon, trans or not.

Then they have to leave the sport. Cause they fight who there told to fight. What's safe and best is if she not in the sport at all. And rausey says it's not fair. but she one of the very very few that also says she will fight her if told to and she will knock her out. Problem is very few feel that way I only know of her and cyborg. Everyone else says no it seems like

marykae 04-14-2015 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KOUNTRY (Post 842030)
Would you join football and then say every one else can't where pads just me?

I wouldn't join a sport and expect to change the rules of the game. So no.

marykae 04-14-2015 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KOUNTRY (Post 842034)
Then they have to leave the sport. Cause they fight who there told to fight. What's safe and best is if she not in the sport at all. And rausey says it's not fair. but she one of the very very few that also says she will fight her if told to and she will knock her out. Problem is very few feel that way I only know of her and cyborg. Everyone else says no it seems like

If it's the minority, then they leave. Find another sport, form a splinter, whatever.

It's fair. They have options.

KOUNTRY 04-14-2015 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marykae (Post 842035)
I wouldn't join a sport and expect to change the rules of the game. So no.

Well in away that's what she is doing. It's been said on here on many feeds few times that because she was a male she will be able to take much more than the majority of the other women. I get that some girls are going to be stronger then others take more abuse then others. But you can't have one that can take so much more. What happens if she kills one of these women. She already broke Tamika brents orbital bone. That's not a injure that happens in woman's MMA. Or males that I have ever heard of. What if one of these women doing what they love dies from a punch to the temple from Fallon. Then what?

KOUNTRY 04-14-2015 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marykae (Post 842036)
If it's the minority, then they leave. Find another sport, form a splinter, whatever.

It's fair. They have options.

No the minority say they will fight her very small minority. The majority says no.

marykae 04-14-2015 10:51 PM

Kountry, I am not understanding what you are saying to me. I thought you were saying one thing, but it turns out you were saying something else.

I appreciate that you are trying really hard to clean up your grammar and sentence structure (not sarcasm), but it's hard to have a conversation with you when I don't fully understand what point you are trying to make.

KOUNTRY 04-14-2015 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marykae (Post 842040)
Kountry, I am not understanding what you are saying to me. I thought you were saying one thing, but it turns out you were saying something else.

I appreciate that you are trying really hard to clean up your grammar and sentence structure (not sarcasm), but it's hard to have a conversation with you when I don't fully understand what point you are trying to make.

What don't you get? She has a advantage that is to great to overlook. The other women are less safe because of that. She has already done damage to a woman that has not ever happened in the wmma. What if she kills one of those women with a punch to the temple. I really don't see what you don't understand (no sarcasm either) just having hard time figuring out the part you don't understand.

marykae 04-14-2015 11:09 PM

I understand you right now.

But I read three posts from you that seemed to have conflicting information from one another.

It's hard for me to respond properly when I have to read some of your posts ten times over, and use context clues to understand what you are saying, only to find out that I read it incorrectly anyway. :-(

KOUNTRY 04-14-2015 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by marykae (Post 842043)
I understand you right now.

But I read three posts from you that seemed to have conflicting information from one another.

It's hard for me to respond properly when I have to read some of your posts ten times over, and use context clues to understand what you are saying, only to find out that I read it incorrectly anyway. :-(

Sorry about that I looking at our exchange can't find the discrepancy. You post I quote you and respond don't see where I contradicted anywhere. But sorry none the less. As long as you see what I am saying now I guess works. Bottom line all the women or at least the vast majority of women will not be safe with her in the ufc.


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