2373: Politics as Usual

[WittyReference]

Great guests, great show. Thankyou.

[robotparker]

to my fellow bernie-bros and bernie-broads, don't get discouraged: https://johnlaurits.com/2016/04/28/t...ic-convention/

there's a lot of math on there, but the short of it is this: it's extremely likely that neither candidate will have the 2,383 delegates needed to secure the nomination. but there's still a fighting chance that Bernie could still secure a simple majority of delegates. plus, there's still a better chance that some of the fraud investigations and recounts going on right now will earn him some delegates, if not outright flip a state or two. obviously it won't be easy, but don't bail on him yet!

and for people worried about Trump winning in the general, take a look at the popular vote totals so far:

Clinton - 12,135,109
Drumpf - 10,056,690
Sanders - 8,967,401

Drumpf only has 1,089,289 more than Bernie, but Hillary is crushing Drumpf with 2,078,419. it'll be ok!

[FingerLakes]

Keith I surprised to still hear you say you'd vote for Trump. I guess I assumed after you began to FTB that you moved away from the idea of a goofy, gag, "Why not have Trump" idea altogether.

I guess I'm curious what you mean by Evil. Most of what I hear from Clinton-haters are that she's a liar and flip flopper, like when you bring up how she legislated anti-gay in previous years and now acts like she has always supported LGBT people. In this ep you'd said Trump just wants to be popular and will go with what the people want and will ultimately act progressively...isn't that the exact same thing? She knows that now, in this era, being progressive and inclusive will get her votes and that's what she has been building herself as. Is that evil or is that what ever person who wants to be popular (elected or otherwise) does?

[FingerLakes]

Never mind I listened to the next ep where you explain further

[DaveNJ]

Originally Posted by robotparker

to my fellow bernie-bros and bernie-broads, don't get discouraged: https://johnlaurits.com/2016/04/28/t...ic-convention/

there's a lot of math on there, but the short of it is this: it's extremely likely that neither candidate will have the 2,383 delegates needed to secure the nomination. but there's still a fighting chance that Bernie could still secure a simple majority of delegates. plus, there's still a better chance that some of the fraud investigations and recounts going on right now will earn him some delegates, if not outright flip a state or two. obviously it won't be easy, but don't bail on him yet!

and for people worried about Trump winning in the general, take a look at the popular vote totals so far:

Clinton - 12,135,109
Drumpf - 10,056,690
Sanders - 8,967,401

Drumpf only has 1,089,289 more than Bernie, but Hillary is crushing Drumpf with 2,078,419. it'll be ok!

There's a lot of terrible math on there. From excluding super delegates to the obvious fact that Sanders is down more than three million votes, you're hanging on to false here.

Bernie winning a simple majority of delegates has been off the table mathematically for weeks.

Also, your simple math on Trump/Hillary is meaningless. Trump won pluralities in most states, not majorities, due to the number of competitors in the field. Conversely, Hillary's been running in essentially a two person race. Those popular vote totals are meaningless for the general election.

A hard core Ted Cruz voter isn't likely to pull the lever for Hillary, and Cruz has gotten quite a few votes himself.

[Lanfear]

Dan Savage on Hillary Clinton
VIDEO: Dan Savage Explains Why He Trusts Clinton Over Trump

“She wasn’t always good on gay marriage, but neither was Barack Obama. When you go to somebody, go to a politician and you say, ‘Please change your mind!’ When they change their mind, you don’t then spend the rest of their lives going, ‘F*ck you for not changing your mind sooner!’ You say, ‘Welcome to the right side of this issue! We’re glad to have you.'”

[Keith]

And then did he go into her being a shill for the banks?

[Lanfear]

Originally Posted by Keith

And then did he go into her being a shill for the banks?

No it was a her vs Trump not her vs Bernie question

[DaveNJ]

Originally Posted by Keith

And then did he go into her being a shill for the banks?

Hillary is the only candidate running on a platform that includes shadow banking reform, though.