247: The PodShow Contract

baffled · 03-28-2006, 11:06 AM

> Seeing as KatG haven't put up a creative commons license,
> anyone can take their shit and do what they like with it.

You have this completely the wrong way around. Anything without an explicit license is fully protected by copyright law. Creative Commons licenses are ways to give up some of the powers all works get from copyright law to allow users to copy it around themselves under various restrictions depending on the license version.

However the rest I agree with -- nothing stops Curry mentioning your site just like nothing stops Google serving ads with their results. But it's probably better to have people coming over from there even if they're a bit confused by the site layout than to not be mentioned, I should think.

BTW there is some good liberally licensed music around outside of Curry's podsafe thing. Check out http://jamendo.com eg http://www.jamendo.com/uk/?f=mp31&id...aylist&t=track

MichaelG · 03-28-2006, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by baffled

> Seeing as KatG haven't put up a creative commons license,
> anyone can take their shit and do what they like with it.

You have this completely the wrong way around. Anything without an explicit license is fully protected by copyright law. Creative Commons licenses are ways to give up some of the powers all works get from copyright law to allow users to copy it around themselves under various restrictions depending on the license version.

SMALL CLAIMS Court. Make them produce the number of clicks through from their website. Get paid but that, and the time on sirius at a rate KATG specifies. (Use Stern as the model for payment)

baffled · 03-28-2006, 11:17 AM

> SMALL CLAIMS Court

Urg no man they're doing KATG a favour if they send over new listeners, no need to think about how to attack them. Just stay away from their contract and keep growing.

MichaelG · 03-28-2006, 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by baffled

> SMALL CLAIMS Court

Urg no man they're doing KATG a favour if they send over new listeners, no need to think about how to attack them. Just stay away from their contract and keep growing.

You don't think today whole show was NOT an attact? The word Rape was used to describe the contract.

More publicity if the media hears about a court case over Podcasting, than any link on a web page.

NY Media would have a field day with the headlines
The little guy vs the podfather. The podfather vs the podgod

Plus small claims court would force AC to defend himself. No Lawyers.

toiletduck · 03-28-2006, 11:40 AM

hey keith, i liked 'you don't know jack' too. you should check out mark's show, he does a good podcast.

mcd · 03-28-2006, 11:57 AM

That contract is gross. Aside from any benefits Keith and Chemda get from being listed on the Podshow website for free, it's just tainted by the dispicable business practices the Podshow engages in.

The monthly bonuses are retarded. Why even bother with a $40 bonus? That just shows how low on the spectrum this podshow compensation package falls compared to other media outlets.

Podshow makes a sizable investment in their shows? Bullshit. They're taking on an existing show. All they're doing is some basic housekeeping by moving the show to their network, and we all know that the costs associated with this are minor. They spend nothing on research, show development, etc. They make almost no investment in the show.

Termination of a contract via email? Pussies. They can't even bother to make a phone call. What a bunch of bitches.

How long is the Podshow non-compete agreement for? I'm guessing for the life of the producer.

You'd think someone would have to be of unsound mind and body to sign this piece of shit.

But you know, I can kind of see how someone might jump into it without thinking. I mean, imagine you go out to Podshow HQ, meet Adam Curry, he presents you with this contract and makes a bullshit little speech that makes you feel like you're a rock star signing a record contract. Next thing you know, he owns you and there's nothing you can do about it.

I have to give his some credit. He must be a pretty good salesman to convince people to sign this shit.

DJQuad · 03-28-2006, 12:09 PM

Curry's IP downloaded the show and is checking the forums.

LOLZ

scottperezfox · 03-28-2006, 12:11 PM

I think "Independant Contractor" is a legal term and carries certain Tax provisions. It also pretty much says that Podshow doesn't send any portion of your paycheck to the IRS, you have to do your own taxes.

But yea, its a load of bollocks.

MichaelG · 03-28-2006, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DJQuad

Curry's IP downloaded the show and is checking the forums.

LOLZ

From where? Over seas or in California?

DJQuad · 03-28-2006, 12:13 PM

Overseas

03-28-2006, 11:06 AM	#41 (permalink)
baffled Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Darkened Room, Old Europe Posts: 46	> Seeing as KatG haven't put up a creative commons license, > anyone can take their shit and do what they like with it. You have this completely the wrong way around. Anything without an explicit license is fully protected by copyright law. Creative Commons licenses are ways to give up some of the powers all works get from copyright law to allow users to copy it around themselves under various restrictions depending on the license version. However the rest I agree with -- nothing stops Curry mentioning your site just like nothing stops Google serving ads with their results. But it's probably better to have people coming over from there even if they're a bit confused by the site layout than to not be mentioned, I should think. BTW there is some good liberally licensed music around outside of Curry's podsafe thing. Check out http://jamendo.com eg http://www.jamendo.com/uk/?f=mp31&id...aylist&t=track
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03-28-2006, 11:17 AM	#43 (permalink)
baffled Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Darkened Room, Old Europe Posts: 46	> SMALL CLAIMS Court Urg no man they're doing KATG a favour if they send over new listeners, no need to think about how to attack them. Just stay away from their contract and keep growing.
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03-28-2006, 11:40 AM	#45 (permalink)
toiletduck Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: New York Posts: 3	hey keith, i liked 'you don't know jack' too. you should check out mark's show, he does a good podcast.
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03-28-2006, 11:57 AM	#46 (permalink)
mcd Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Dirty Jersey Posts: 103	That contract is gross. Aside from any benefits Keith and Chemda get from being listed on the Podshow website for free, it's just tainted by the dispicable business practices the Podshow engages in. The monthly bonuses are retarded. Why even bother with a $40 bonus? That just shows how low on the spectrum this podshow compensation package falls compared to other media outlets. Podshow makes a sizable investment in their shows? Bullshit. They're taking on an existing show. All they're doing is some basic housekeeping by moving the show to their network, and we all know that the costs associated with this are minor. They spend nothing on research, show development, etc. They make almost no investment in the show. Termination of a contract via email? Pussies. They can't even bother to make a phone call. What a bunch of bitches. How long is the Podshow non-compete agreement for? I'm guessing for the life of the producer. You'd think someone would have to be of unsound mind and body to sign this piece of shit. But you know, I can kind of see how someone might jump into it without thinking. I mean, imagine you go out to Podshow HQ, meet Adam Curry, he presents you with this contract and makes a bullshit little speech that makes you feel like you're a rock star signing a record contract. Next thing you know, he owns you and there's nothing you can do about it. I have to give his some credit. He must be a pretty good salesman to convince people to sign this shit.
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03-28-2006, 12:09 PM	#47 (permalink)
DJQuad Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,818	Curry's IP downloaded the show and is checking the forums. LOLZ
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03-28-2006, 12:11 PM	#48 (permalink)
scottperezfox Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Jersey City Posts: 315	I think "Independant Contractor" is a legal term and carries certain Tax provisions. It also pretty much says that Podshow doesn't send any portion of your paycheck to the IRS, you have to do your own taxes. But yea, its a load of bollocks.
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03-28-2006, 12:13 PM	#50 (permalink)
DJQuad Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,818	Overseas
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