2511: I've Been Better
 

with Aileen Clark – Tracy Soren co-hosts: President-elect Donald J. Trump and an all-Republican government; teaching kids about genital grooming; Aileen’s new mom

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Aileen Clark
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Tracy Soren
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I think there are many women in this country that have let their self respect & self love (if it ever had a chance to be fostered) be beaten down by all the BS we have to deal with as women...

Stockholm syndrome, or capture-bonding, is a psychological phenomenon first described in 1973 in which hostages express empathy and sympathy and have positive feelings toward their captors, sometimes to the point of defending and identifying with the captors.

I'm sad, angry & scared... There are people amongst my community that basically HATE me for being a woman, a latina & a member of the LGBT community.. There are NAZI flags flying over house in SAN FRANCISCO...

Another quick note... I'm not even THAT scared of Trump himself, I'm scared of the cabinet of evil idiots he will put in place to roll out policies that will "MAGA" aka White, male & conservative again... Cause I believe deep down inside he didn't think he would win, cause he never really cared about being president. The VP choices were vetted for a person that could do the job for him.. Pence was the choice....

I'm scared of Pence as VP
I'm scared Ben Carson is being considered for sec of education
I'm scared Sarah Palin is being considered for a position in the cabinet
I'm scared Giuliani & Christie are being considered for high positions in our federal government.
I'm scared the racist sheriff that just got voted out of position in Arizona is being considered for his cabinet

I'm scared the senate will be on their side...

I'm scared....

i feel like i should write a little pamphlet on how to be a normal person under this kind of conservatism for some of y'all. this is old hat for us red staters.

I wish we didn't need it....

Also, I don't ever want to feel "normal" living under oppression and hate...

We should not be normalizing hate, we should be fighting against it...

you're gonna want a moment where you don't feel fucking insane. it can get exhausting.

It's exhausting to be a woman...
It's exhausting to be a latina woman...
It's exhausting to scrape & cry & bleed for a bit of independence and joy..

It's scary it will now be even more exhausting & harder to feel joy & free...

I worry for my brown friends & my gay friends being safe in their own neighborhoods in cities that most would believe to be "liberal" & accepting (and I hate using the words liberal & conservative in this regard, but it's the lingo)

yep. true things. i'm thinking about erecting a giant cross in my yard to throw 'em off my scent. i'm white with heritage, but my godlessness is a real problem.

honest to god responses i've gotten from those observations:

1) we literally /have/ to forgive him. (but, not anybody that doesn't espouse our ideas)

2) re refugees: God gave us common sense to use.

Not sure if you've noticed before... A LOT of hypocrisy at work in church... Especially Christians...

White Christian Oppression is Starbucks not having snowflakes on their winter cups. i think that's a good place to start in trying to understand the things ahead of us.

When it comes down to it, the Christian Republicans who voted for Trump, and Christian Republicans in general, could give a shit about Christ-like values. They literally use Jesus as an excuse to hate foreign brown people (the irony). Many of them are adulterers themselves, and yet they hate gay people because they disrespect "the sanctity of marriage", and even pass laws against us in some states. The idea that "Christ-loving" white women could vote for Trump after everything he's said about women, especially the pussy-grabbing comments, is an utter joke, and yet here we are (not to blame them exclusively obviously). Nothing he could have said would have lost him the election. He won because of two major things: 1) People are fed up with the establishment, and Hillary was the epitome of the establishment. And 2) HRC didn't do enough to address the people living in rust belt states, which are the ones that ultimately cost her the election.

Here's a great article explaining that last point, and how Trump won easily in areas where Obama had landslides in 2008.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/10/up...ss-whites.html

I'd also like to add to the list of why Trump won: Hillary's a woman. I'm not a fan of hers, but I'm almost certain that if she were a man having done all the things she did, she'd simply be viewed as a "tough" and "no-bullshit" candidate, and she would have had a much better chance of winning.

Not that that needed to be necessarily mentioned, but I just wanted to add that point.

feel ya. i'm not a fervent Clinton supporter, though i did vote for her, but when it came down to it i had to vote /against/ the permission for white assholes to be openly assholes, against dangerous levels of nationalism, and against Christian theocracy.

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How Australia saw it...

It's not that Hillary's a woman, it's that Hillary is Hillary. Hatred of her (and her husband) goes back decades. She couldn't undo that in one election cycle. Instead, she made it worse. The hearings and investigation aren't over either.

I don't know if they talked about it on the show, but people had their minds made up a long time ago. I bet a lot of Trump supporters paid no attention to the media coverage. If you only read Breitbart and followed Trump on Twitter, you'd have a very different view of this election.

History has shown us all around the world that when things get tough on the middle and lower classes they look to the right for easy answers.

But I just can't right now, it's still early in the 7 stages of grief. Let's make jokes instead.

Trump missed the opportunity of using this as his campaign song.



Keith has talked about how it's awkward to sing along to some rap songs now. I would've been singing along to this when I was 13 and unsure of why it made me not feel right even though the music was pretty. I must have known not to play it in front of my parents though. Ironically it was at the same time I started getting into Public Enemy.

Haha holy shit, I never knew Guns 'n Roses that well, but I had no idea they had such a blatantly bigoted song. Would have fit Trump's rallied perfectly.

That's a rad solo though, gotta give 'em that.

Not endorsing these views and I know that a lot of liberal Christians are upset with Trump but to answer Apia's question - Franklin Graham Encourages Evangelicals to Think of Trump as Moses or David.

I think from looking at the map, the cities were not the problem. There were small blue blips in almost every state in largely populated areas. It's the large red areas in small towns that stops progress. That is definitely the problem in Missouri. Blue in KC, Blue in St. Louis, and red everywhere else.

I saw a twitter thread that blamed white liberals who moved to liberal cities to get away from their racist/sexist family.

It pretty much said that white liberals move away to big cities and surround themselves with other liberals, circle-jerk over being "one of the good ones" and never put in the work to educate their people back home.

Then repeatedly ask minorities "what can I do to help"?

I can't count how many times I've been annoyed when I see a white person complaining about how hard it is to talk to their bigoted family.

Who else do you expect to do it?

These racist family members are going to go right back to being hiring managers, bank loan agents, police officers, real estate agents, lawyers, doctors, teachers, etc.

But your feelings or whatever...

I think that's why the electoral college isn't going anywhere. The sparsely populated states, Republican and Democrat, don't want to give up their influence. With just the popular vote, the big cities would run everything.

I'm hearing now that Trump supporters don't really believe he's going to do anything bad, they just want jobs brought back to to the US. He's the only one that made that promise.

The cities ARE the problem when hateful people that live here are now emboldened to take out their hate on other folks on the street.

There is a Nazi flag flying over a house in San Francisco right now & gay people being attacked in the streets... of San Francisco....

A promise he can't keep.... There is no "bringing jobs back"
If anything we can lead new industries (clean energy, for example) to create NEW jobs... But nope, folks just want the old jobs that aren't coming back.

The only jobs that can be "saved" by DT are the ones that are killing the planet at the same time, so fuck the planet give me my coal job.

That Nazi flag is messed up, but these people didn't come out of nowhere. They've always been there. That's why most black people aren't nearly as upset as white people right now. The idea of a post-racial America when Obama was elected was a joke.

You shouldn't have to deal with that though. You might be able to get the police involved, but not until they actually do something.

Jobs could come back, but they wouldn't be the middle class wages that people want. I don't think businesses can afford expensive American workers and sell inexpensive products at the same time. If everything was made in America, nothing would be affordable.

I know these people have always been around... Just scary they now have been emboldened to act without fear of repercussion/punishment...