2593: Jailbird

[Sparrow]

Originally Posted by Pintman

And stop with "the system is corrupt and unjust." Of course it is, but that doesn't justify...

seems to justify some odd nonchalance. people get raped and murdered and kept in an endless generational cycle of poverty, but /of course/ they do. ok. good enough. that's just how it is. but, fuckin' Turnstile Kid over here, she really earned that wag of your finger. tsk tsk, Chemda.

[Keith]

You keep ignoring that they specifically said that she wasn't under arrest. Multiple times. Multiple cops.

You keep trying to be tricky. Why? Are you married to these cops?

Just add that into your stupid red font so that people can have a conversation with you.

[Pintman]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

seems to justify some odd nonchalance. people get raped and murdered and kept in an endless generational cycle of poverty, but /of course/ they do. ok. good enough. that's just how it is. but, fuckin' Turnstile Kid over here, she really earned that wag of your finger. tsk tsk, Chemda.

Now we're equating rape and murder and chronic poverty with stealing subway rides. Great.

[Sparrow]

yes, that's exactly what i'm doing.

do you want to fight me?

[Pintman]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

yes, that's exactly what i'm doing.

do you want to fight me?

Why would I want to fight you?

[Sparrow]

that's how you handle things on the inside.

[Pintman]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

that's how you handle things on the inside.

That's how who handles things on the inside of what?

[Sparrow]

ok.

[Pintman]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

ok.

I get the feeling you want to fight me. Why's that?

[MichaelApproved]

Originally Posted by Sparrow

seems to justify some odd nonchalance. people get raped and murdered and kept in an endless generational cycle of poverty, but /of course/ they do. ok. good enough. that's just how it is. but, fuckin' Turnstile Kid over here, she really earned that wag of your finger. tsk tsk, Chemda.

Can we focus a little?

Turnstile kid only got a ticket. Not-paying-an-old-ticket kid got arrested. Should she have gotten arrested for that? I don't think so but not paying a ticket is more serious than jumping a turnstile.

When you make it seem like Chemda got arrested for jumping a turnstile, you're creating a straw-man argument.

Let's bring it back into a focused discussion, so we don't talk past each other.

Should Chemda have gotten a ticket for jumping the turnstile?

I say yes.

On the show, Chemda said police budget for jumping turnstiles should be used to subsidize the MTA. That means no one watching for people jumping the stiles. No tickets for jumping.

I believe the problem with Chemda's plan is the police budget would be a drop in the bucket. I doubt there'd be any real cuts if you put the entire turnstile jumping task force budget into MTA.

Without policing, more people will not pay and cause a deeper budget issue with the MTA.

Further, police presence is good for more than turnstile jumpers. Yes, they are primarily there to catch jumpers but added police presence on the platform is helpful late at night.

What does everyone else think?

Should Chemda have been arrested for not paying an old ticket?

On the show, I was favoring yes because I couldn't think of another solution. Afterwards, I felt that trespassing someone from MTA resources each year until they pay the fine is a better solution.

On the show, Chemda believed she shouldn't have been arrested and felt like it wasn't a good time to discuss alternatives.

@Chemda - What do you think of the trespass idea? Do you have any alternative ideas?

What does everyone else think?