She was very violent. She left that part out.

But you of course can only speak for yourself I assume, you crazy what the duck language are you ever speaking I don't know peace and love.

I assume you're saying your system is better.

If if only we had the words to say we agree.

WE AGREE, YA GOOF!

We good fam :)

I should've waited a bit before getting into a debate. I came off as attacking you and I didn't mean to do that. Sorry. I meant to debate your opinion on justice and social order, not attack you for being arrested.

There are people who think you were too hard on me and others who think I was too hard on you. What they don't realize is that we spoke briefly before the show where we were probably further apart in our opinions than we were on the show, so it might've seemed more strange based on the conversation they heard.

That's not to say that either of us should've been upset with the other but it was a conversation based on a previous one.

If you listen to the show again, you'll notice that Chemda points me out specifically on the show before I call in. She was referencing that earlier call. It wasn't like we were yelling at each other but we were talking about the "system".

However, in that brief few minutes after the call and before the show, we both came closer to each others opinions. Without going into detail, we both softened our stance. One important change in my opinion was that you reminded me how dumb it was to arrest someone for not paying a fine.

It's one of the dumbest things this country does. Stop criminalizing citizens. Fuck arresting someone for a victimless crime. Fuck arresting someone for failure to pay a fine or debt.

Alternative punishment could be a 1 year written trespass from the MTA until the fine is paid or you can garnish wages but don't arrest.

Anyway, why was I harping on asking you for a solution? Partly because I think it's a good debate to have and partly because I had an over reaction to the inaccurate information I believe your opinions are based on.

Inaccuracy is my trigger. I'm not flying around with a cape on correcting people but, when I'm in a discussion, I have a hard time resisting correcting someone when they are saying something that isn't untrue.

If I'm ever saying something that isn't true, I would want someone to correct me. It doesn't make sense to me when people don't do that. We have amazing computers in our pockets connected to the world's information. Why not look something up?

Of course, I don't always have the facts straight but when I hear something that I believe is wrong I tend to give a reactive response.

It sometimes comes off as insensitive because it sometimes is. I'm not always right and my timing isn't always great. I sometimes go into "correct mode" when discussing what boils down to an opinion.

Talking when I should be listening? Mars/Venus maybe?

Having said that......................................

@Chemda - on the show you asked something along the lines of why don't I wait 5 minutes before responding. Partially it's because of what I just mentioned above and partially because it's current events. It's topical. Why wait months when a story is stale?

It's not like I refuse to accept other's opinions. The forums have plenty of examples where I continue a conversation from the show and concede points to others. These discussions help everyone who follows them grow, especially me.

It's not like I'm Billy Madison

Oh yeah?

You're right that the tax payers lost money on this but don't forget that harsh penalties are often there because those who impose those penalties are lobbying for them.

The city lost money on Chemda's arrest but the officers profited with cushy overtime.

The fuck kind of fantasy world do you live in where fining someone for jumping a turnstile is "shit that doesn't matter". :confused:

Probably because that's how you're used to communicating with people :p Chill out and lets exchange some ideas. :cool:

It's not whatever, it's a fact. ;)

Fair enough :) I'll get cracking on those for ya :D

We're #1... with incarcerated citizens.

Dramatic much?

I wish the computer systems were that well tied together. It's dumb that they can look up warrants based on your drivers license but the DMV isn't tied into the warrant system.

Regardless, I don't think you should be punished with an unrelated service. A fuck up on the MTA shouldn't cost you your license. A fuck up with your car shouldn't cost you MTA privileges.