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View Poll Results: Have you ever been arrested?
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Old 03-23-2017, 10:14 PM   #121 (permalink)
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legalize marijuana and prostitution. abortions on demand.
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Old 03-23-2017, 10:21 PM   #122 (permalink)
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Old 03-23-2017, 10:33 PM   #123 (permalink)
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basically, cutting off supplies of exploitable flesh where we can with an end goal of decommodifying incarceration.
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Old 03-23-2017, 11:00 PM   #124 (permalink)
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ending the private prison system
I think we should end the private prison system but that seems to mostly help with preventing them from bribing public officials to increase inmates. Meaning, they are responsible for tougher sentencing guidelines and creating new laws that criminalize citizens.

That's good but both public and private prisons treat people like cattle.

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increased accountability
This one can go a long way but we need a list of things that we want to hold them accountable to.

For example, what laws were broken with Chemda and the others who were in jail with her? Probably none but they got treated like shit and ate garbage.

We need some kind of detention bill of rights. Right now, it seems we are holding them to basic human rights. We should have a higher standard for people who go through the system.

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Health (physical and mental)
Recreation
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What other high level categories are there?
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Old 03-24-2017, 05:56 AM   #125 (permalink)
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For example, what laws were broken with Chemda and the others who were in jail with her? Probably none but they got treated like shit and ate garbage.
Idk about you but I don't have to do something illegal in order to be held accountable for my shitty/unprofessional actions at work.
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Idk about you but I don't have to do something illegal in order to be held accountable for my shitty/unprofessional actions at work.
What do you suggest?
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We need some kind of detention bill of rights. Right now, it seems we are holding them to basic human rights. We should have a higher standard for people who go through the system.
This sounds hard to accomplish without a change in the perception of prisons and the people in them. One of the reasons conditions are so poor is that society thinks the prison population is fundamentally bad and needs to be punished. Why should we increase funding to better the health and education of the WORST people in our country? Let those rapists and murderers rot, who cares!

The first prisons in the US were established with a focus on trying to rehabilitate criminals, to transform their violent tendencies so they would come out as productive members of society again. There was a belief that prisoners could be redeemed. Unfortunately this belief waned in popularity once the methods put in place to rehab criminals proved ineffective, mostly because their cures for criminality were fucking stupid. At Eastern State Penitentiary in Philly in the early 1800s, solitary confinement was seen as a revolutionary treatment that would allow prisoners to reflect on their misdeeds and change their bad habits (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter...ntiary#History). They designed the building so that prisoners would almost never come into contact with each other. When it actually drove people out of their fucking minds, the people in charge didn't blame themselves, they blamed the criminal mind for being so depraved and beyond repair, and changed their mission from rehabilitating prisoners to punishing them.

Anyway, this is all to say I think an attempt to increase the conditions in prisons must be tied to a thorough re-examination of what exactly we want them to accomplish. Currently they house a large population that the rest of society doesn't want to deal with, a population that suffers from systemic problems like poverty, violence, racism, poor health, etc. Like others have said, addressing those problems head on is how we unravel the prison state.
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Just saw this article posted by iamgrilledcheese in another thread which gets to the point: https://m.mic.com/articles/amp/10913...-the-u-s-won-t

Fucking sweden
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Old 03-24-2017, 10:27 AM   #129 (permalink)
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[Sweden is] a relatively inclusive societies with widely shared prosperity and a low degree of corrosive racial tension (mainly due to racial homogeneity).
therein lies the rub. we can't even start making effective progress in our prisons if we don't work this out in tandem. further complicated that it often takes generations to make this kind of progress, we may very well not live to see the fruits of our labor. deep healing is slow. you can't vote it in 2 and 4 and 8 years down the line or correct it with legislation. this is hearts and minds territory.


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Prisoners and staff eat together in the community spaces built throughout the prison.


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It seems that there's a self-fulfilling dimension to the way a society chooses to imprison those that it deems criminal: If you tell someone they cannot get better, they won't; if you tell someone they can, they might just have a decent shot.
America needs a reframing. i certainly don't see it happening. i fully believe all of this will get worse long, long before it gets better.
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I got it the solution to all the problems everyone has to answer to either Keith or Chemda when a crime is commuted Chemda for the not so serious crimes and kieth's brand of justice for the more serious DONE
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