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Old 03-20-2017, 11:28 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I have so many thoughts...

The one that keeps bothering me the most:

What happened to those girls? Are they still in the cell? Why were they there two days? Are they okay? Do their families know?

So many black women get abused and sexually assaulted while being arrested or while being "held" that I'm worried for them.

Also,

Your brother is the worst.

He's the guy who walks up to a mom crying on the side of the road and asks her to propose a plan of action for how to solve police brutality. Like at that very moment she needs to be able to come up to a solution to a centuries long systematic problem. And if she doesn't have one he gives the "well if you can't speak like a scholar on the subject then just shut up" tone and face. All while claiming to be on her side. I see your bullshit Micheal.
I have to admit that my protesting for BLM had a new perspective after my experience... I also have wondered many times how different (worse) it may have been if my skin/ethnicity was "darker". My "privilege" as a "white Latina" has a new point of reference & POV in my empathy drawer...

On a side note, I'm also very disturbed with the trend of black & brown girls missing in urban areas. Little girls... very little news coverage on it. It's very concerning all around how black & brown folks will survive the current administration's archaic policy approach.
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Old 03-20-2017, 11:29 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Also I lost my temper on my brother. That tells me I should think more on this. I'd like to be able to debate the things I believe in in a calm way. I hope that me getting that upset was because it was 'too soon' but I'm still thinking on it.
After telling the story on-air the whole mood of the show when Micheal called with his points was 'too soon man'. It was like someone that couldn't read the atmosphere at a bar.

Chemda, you were great and it was great cause it was real, you don't need to have had a detailed nuanced argument about fees and punishment with someone so soon afterwards and definitely not after you just relived the whole thing on-air. You're reaction was exactly what any normal person's reaction would be.
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Old 03-20-2017, 11:32 PM   #63 (permalink)
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Chemda you acted very bravely by keeping a cool head. According to my experience as a criminal law lawyer you are absolutely correct: a system that wastes all that money on jailing people for offences like yours is complete bullshit.

Yes, people should be punished for their offences; no we should not waste bazillions of dollars arresting people for outstanding warrants. That is very stupid and dumb. There are many, many cheaper alternatives, like not being able to renew your license, like GreeningOA said. That's what happens in Canada when you have outstanding offences like this: you can't renew your license or get a new ID. No, it is not your job to decide what the proper punishment should be, your government should be doing that. They suck.

Keith no one credited you for recognizing that Chemda's civil rights were violated by those dick cops who lied and laughed at her.

In Canada you must be "read your rights" and given a phone call within a certain time of being stopped by the police. If they are not going to arrest you they may "detain" you for a short period but they have to tell you that's what is happening. The cops are certainly not allowed to lie to you - that would be a violation of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms (in Canada) and is a major fuckup. When cops fuck up like that here it's a big deal. There must be some equivalent of the Charter of Rights and Freedoms in the USA and if there's not that's fucked. How are your civil rights protected at all?

Michael you may have had good points - actually you had one good point - that at some point people need arrested if they're constantly avoiding punishment. Well, maybe that is only half a good point because the system jails people who are not posing safety issues but just social nuisances. These people fall through the cracks in the social net (which apparently really sucks in 'Merica) and end up costing the taxpayer zillions of dollars in the bullshit criminal system.

Also you were really insensitive to your sister in that conversation.

Also, a protest doesn't have to be effective to be legit. If it's a protest to Chemda to jump the turnstile in an attempt to thwart the system, it's a protest, especially because she does have the platform on which to explain herself.

My Story (briefly):I was arrested right before I became a lawyer. I jumped the turnstile, got a ticket, didn't pay it, a warrant went out. A year later I get caught jumping the turnstile again. Cop says "okay you have a warrant out for your arrest, I have to arrest you". He doesn't put me in handcuffs (although he mentions he could do so), he writes me out my summons and lets me go after I sign a promise to appear at court. I go to the courthouse and pay my tickets. THE END.

My story would have been different if I was homeless, visibly indigenous, or otherwise marginalized. They may have arrested me and taken me to jail for a night in lieu of paying the ticket. This is bullshit and many lawyers here are trying to change the bullshit system. It is so stupid to jail people for little offences like that! It wastes so much money that could otherwise be going to improving city infrastructure, paying for scholarships, improving health care etc..

Goddammit this episode fired me up.
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By the way I don't think it works this way in Germany. I wondered how those things are handled here, but I'm not sure. Fact is, way less people get arrested.
Maybe if you are acting violent. Or are so drunk that you are a danger for yourself and others.
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As someone who has both multiple po-po and multiple jailbirds in the family I'm not about to go all eff the po-lice or anything, buuuuuuuuuut ...

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By the way I don't think it works this way in Germany. I wondered how those things are handled here, but I'm not sure. Fact is, way less people get arrested.
Maybe if you are acting violent. Or are so drunk that you are a danger for yourself and others.
She was very violent. She left that part out.

But you of course can only speak for yourself I assume, you crazy what the duck language are you ever speaking I don't know peace and love.
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Of course she was not violent. And I already said this arrest was stupid and a waste of money/ manpower.

From a New York Times article

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/08/07/o...sons.html?_r=0


While the United States currently incarcerates 2.2 million people, Germany — whose population is one-fourth the size of ours — locks up only about 63,500, which translates to an incarceration rate that is one-tenth of ours. More than 80 percent of those convicted of crimes in Germany receive sentences of “day fines” (based on the offense and the offender’s ability to pay). Only 5 percent end up in prison. Of those who do, about 70 percent have sentences of less than two years, with few serving more than 15 years.

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I assume you're saying your system is better.

If if only we had the words to say we agree.

WE AGREE, YA GOOF!
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Also I lost my temper on my brother. That tells me I should think more on this. I'd like to be able to debate the things I believe in in a calm way. I hope that me getting that upset was because it was 'too soon' but I'm still thinking on it.
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I should've waited a bit before getting into a debate. I came off as attacking you and I didn't mean to do that. Sorry. I meant to debate your opinion on justice and social order, not attack you for being arrested.

There are people who think you were too hard on me and others who think I was too hard on you. What they don't realize is that we spoke briefly before the show where we were probably further apart in our opinions than we were on the show, so it might've seemed more strange based on the conversation they heard.

That's not to say that either of us should've been upset with the other but it was a conversation based on a previous one.

If you listen to the show again, you'll notice that Chemda points me out specifically on the show before I call in. She was referencing that earlier call. It wasn't like we were yelling at each other but we were talking about the "system".

However, in that brief few minutes after the call and before the show, we both came closer to each others opinions. Without going into detail, we both softened our stance. One important change in my opinion was that you reminded me how dumb it was to arrest someone for not paying a fine.

It's one of the dumbest things this country does. Stop criminalizing citizens. Fuck arresting someone for a victimless crime. Fuck arresting someone for failure to pay a fine or debt.

Alternative punishment could be a 1 year written trespass from the MTA until the fine is paid or you can garnish wages but don't arrest.

Anyway, why was I harping on asking you for a solution? Partly because I think it's a good debate to have and partly because I had an over reaction to the inaccurate information I believe your opinions are based on.

Inaccuracy is my trigger. I'm not flying around with a cape on correcting people but, when I'm in a discussion, I have a hard time resisting correcting someone when they are saying something that isn't untrue.

If I'm ever saying something that isn't true, I would want someone to correct me. It doesn't make sense to me when people don't do that. We have amazing computers in our pockets connected to the world's information. Why not look something up?

Of course, I don't always have the facts straight but when I hear something that I believe is wrong I tend to give a reactive response.

It sometimes comes off as insensitive because it sometimes is. I'm not always right and my timing isn't always great. I sometimes go into "correct mode" when discussing what boils down to an opinion.

Talking when I should be listening? Mars/Venus maybe?

Having said that......................................

@Chemda - on the show you asked something along the lines of why don't I wait 5 minutes before responding. Partially it's because of what I just mentioned above and partially because it's current events. It's topical. Why wait months when a story is stale?

It's not like I refuse to accept other's opinions. The forums have plenty of examples where I continue a conversation from the show and concede points to others. These discussions help everyone who follows them grow, especially me.

It's not like I'm Billy Madison

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I have to say, hearing Chemda tear into Michael like that kind of made my day.
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