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Old 05-23-2017, 01:52 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I hate myself for knowing this. There is an episode of Star Trek Voyager where two people get merged into a single person because of the transporter.
Tuvix is one of the most controversial Star Trek characters. the divide is wide. i believe he was murdered.
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Old 05-23-2017, 01:57 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Star Trek TNG is science fiction with a focus on how Star Trek has a unique twist from most other science fiction in that it takes place in a utopian civilization.
is it utopian though? Earth developed a highly socialist way of doing things, but it's far from utopian. it is strange though that the HQ for the /entire/ Federation is not only /on/ earth, but /in/ America. #exceptionalism
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I feel you Witty, this hit me harder than the death of any other artist I can remember. Cobain and Ledger left their marks, but I don't remember shedding a tear. This though, I put on Room's a Thousand Years Wide from Motorvision when I heard the news and broke down. Surprised even myself how deep they'd got into my soul.

Keith's dead right that Mother Love Bone fit right in with the glam scene, but Soundgarden always had more of a harder, darker, weirder vibe. Right from Ultramega OK in 1988 they had too much of that bleak Seattle streak and down and down-tuned dirty aggression to their sound to really fit in with what was making the big $$$ at that time.

As for what lead to that darker thing getting so big, yeah there was the first Gulf War, but I think moreso it was the economic downturn triggered initially by the stock market crash in the late, Reagan-fucked 80s which lead to a recession in the early 90s. Plus there was that whole looming end of an entire millennium thing.

That, plus rock was always evolving, so it felt natural that there'd be some reaction away from the party rock that held sway in the 80s.

(I don't know what's happened to rock since the early 00s though. It seems like after the Strokes/White Stripes-lead garage rock thing and the At The Drive In-lead post-hardcore thing there hasn't been an interesting "movement" in the genre ever since. Or maybe I'm just old af.)
Good points. I love RATYW. Rage played all Chris on Friday night. Man those early film clips look so cheap and funny because of it. I've assumed you get Rage in NZ which is probably wrong.

I barely even listen to music compared to how obsessed with it I used to be - video games took over my attention because, same as you, nothing sounds good in the rock world anymore and I'm old af. Plus I found people's recommendations never hit the spot. "Oh you like Seattle, Kyuss, Smashing Pumpkins and The Verve? Here's 20 bands that are only inspired by the worst parts of those bands." Check out Motorpsycho from Norway. They've got a crap tone of albums that cover the whole rock spectrum. Their 90's albums were definitely influenced by Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and Grunge.

It did surprise me that Chris' death hit me as hard as Cobain's did when I was 19. I was into Pearl Jam, Soundgarden, Nirvana and Alice in Chains before I even knew they were all from Seattle. I don't really like much of the music from that scene before 1990 though. Most of those bands first albums are patchy at best and I was never into Glam much. While MLB are definitely glam they also had some deeper and darker lyrical content that stood apart.

Temple of The Dog was a MLB lyric. Man it would have been great to see that tour last year and there was talk of them recording another album too. I wonder how far Soundgarden were through working on their new one? How long until the posthumous tapes come out?
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mhm. mhm. they do brag a lot about how they figured their shit out. although, they do suck the 20th century's dick real hard for it being a savage, backward time. it's like Drake never happened.

might i put forward for discussion that the Enterprise itself could be seen as a utopia. as the flagship, it is an intentionally created, idealized, city sized, living example of all the Federation's highest values. not that there aren't problems on the ship, but the system seems to work those problems out every time with few flaws.
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You guys forgot to put this pic in the show notes.
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mhm. mhm. they do brag a lot about how they figured their shit out. although, they do suck the 20th century's dick real hard for it being a savage, backward time. it's like Drake never happened.

might i put forward for discussion that the Enterprise itself could be seen as a utopia. as the flagship, it is an intentionally created, idealized, city sized, living example of all the Federation's highest values. not that there aren't problems on the ship, but the system seems to work those problems out every time with few flaws.


I did think you meant the ship was the utopia. It made sense enough for me. People are physically and mentally taken care of. An important part of their job is to listen and work well with others. And they are often noted as the most ship shape of ships. Yes pun.


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