2638: Disorderly Conduct
 

with Costaki Economopoulos and Andrea Allan – Children, football, and beauty pageants; Shaq admits the Earth is round; your lover’s past; joint custody; children discovering sex; how to be a superhero; Born in China’s dead snow leopard; rugby; Pizza Hut pepper spray; shooting off your penis

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Andrea Allan
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Costaki Economopoulos
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Describe how you were abused.

I'm serious.

Where were the belt hits?

eek
 

I thought at first you were hit in the face with a belt.:eek: I'd call that violent violent. I understand now and see clearly the comma.

However, those beating you got that left marks, also violent. Many people have a tendency to down play their trauma. Most people want to avoid the drama that comes with it or my down playing the trauma they can avoid feeling like a victim. I don't want you to feel like a victim of abuse. It sounds like you are well at peace with this part of your childhood. I do think you should recognize it for what it was.

Apia, let me be perhaps the first to tell you. You were a victim of violence, not not violence. Plan old violence. If it left a mark then you where hit hard enough to cause lacerations or abrasions of the skin. I would say sever abrasions if the marks were more then red and left notable marks. Do you have any scars from this? I understand it was a different time and place, I'm not trying to vilify your guardians at the time but you are not that old and honestly a spanking on the butt with a hand is pretty violent and that doesn't leave marks. (if a "spanking" left marks I think that is not a spanking it's a beating.)
Honestly, if hitting someone with an object like a stick or a belt is not violent then what is violent, where is that line? I'd rather be burned with a lit cigarette then hit with a stick.

Love the shit out of these polls lol

Keith this comes from a place of love. I have never heard an accent like yours. It sounds like an amalgamation of all of the accents north of the Mason Dixon line. I love it.

Of course it comes from a place of love because my "accent" has a lovely tone.

Thank you.

so great
 

That is so great that you had a conversation with your parents about it. It's very possible your father has suppressed the events, especially if there were other difficult things going on at the time. It's not easy to talk about this kind of thing with anyone let alone the one who did the hitting or was in a position to intervene and didn't. Humans are certainly flawed and make mistakes sometimes. Well except Keith, as he has said many times "I don't think I've ever made a mistake." I know I've made mistakes as a parent, not the least of which was not doing more to prevent a Trump presidency.

I thought when you wrote that it was not "...extremely violent..." that you were down playing it. I read that wrong I guess. The fact that you're still alive means it was less then maximally violent. I wasn't there so if you say it was less than extremely violent I'll take you at your word. It was at least pretty violent and not not violent.;)

bad arm
 

By the way, I'd take the belt to that women. I have a bad shoulder and carpel tunnel in my wrist so it would take some time to beat her to death or maybe I would be disqualified... but I'd do it. I can't imagine what that child went through just hoping she would stop but she just kept hitting and hitting screaming 'please stop', 'I'm sorry', or 'I'll do better' and she just kept hitting. How does thinking of this not send you into a rage inside? I mean not mad I mean a rage to hurt her. That poor child.

Just think the worst you have been hurt put that pain aside and realize you lived but this child didn't! How fucked up is that woman?:mad:
I would feel better if she knew what it was like to be that child under that belt. In fact I would disqualify myself, I don't think I could hit her hard enough.

Add to the death of that child the damage she has caused the parents and the rest of the family and friends of that child! Could you stay in a relationship with someone who's sister beat your child to death? If it's your sister how do you live with yourself not knowing this could happen? This story is so fucked up. Could your child stay friends with the sibling of the child that died? Maybe they can stay friends but your child never goes to their house again. And never does anything where those parents are supervising alone. The parents didn't do it but as the parent of child who is friends with a sibling of the dead child you can't trust them can you? The ripples just continue.

would i be able to beat an adult to death with a belt? i don't think so. for starters, i don't think i'm strong enough. secondly, the thrashing and screaming and crunching and squishing of a human person being destroyed is not something i could handle outside of an immediately stimulated blind rage and after the fact, as quickly as when my breathing started to slow, i'd be pretty messed up. intentionally taking a life, especially in an intimate way such as this, isn't as easy as a lot of laymen expect it to be and it has lasting effects on the perpetrator. most people's humanity is stronger than they think. there's a reason they have to train you to pull the trigger in the military and have emotional support after.

if you're toying with the idea of killing this person with a belt, then you understand how she could kill someone with a belt.

add to that, in our country, this kind of retributive justice is not how we do things. sorry, thirsty blood monsters, there's an eighth amendment at play. it's this kind of emotional knee jerk example of "should" that people would use to weaken what protects us all. not having it. "for the children," they cry, red leather in hand.

is what she did reprehensible? yes. does justice look like a bloody pulpy mess? no. the law is reason free from passion. #Aristotle #LegallyBlonde

Let me tell you a story about heartbreak and the Falcons losing the Super Bowl. My Mom who died last year and my stepdad are HUGE Falcons fans that have been season ticket holders forever. My stepdad wanted the family to come watch the game at his and my mom's house. Our family needed a pick me up. My stepdad keeps my mom on top of the TV. We were high fiving her after every touchdown.

Then we lost. We left the house without saying a word.

Thanks Falcons.

Chemda stop kidding yourself that you can be the physically tough person. You often remind me so much of the way my brain works that I'm sure you'd over think it all and be far to empathetic to your opponent. I can accept it but I still regret how little I stood up for myself at school but I just wasn't that person. My testosterone side still bullies me for being a testicle though, reminding me of past regrets.

Whenever I've had to fight its never just been "fuck this guy lets go", it's always "but, what if, oh no, consequences".

One example - I was refereeing a casual basketball game back in high school. Someone on one of the teams didn't like my decisions apparently and hit me in the face from behind/ beside me so I didn't even see it coming. I had hated this guy for years and had dreamt of smashing his face in. As my ears are ringing and my vision is shaky, I know I have to hit him back or lose even more face but at the same time I'm aware that there is a teacher down the other end of the courts and if we get caught fighting I'll get in more trouble and what if this happens or that happens and getting punched hurts and I don't want to hurt people and oh I'm swinging now and have hit him but cant tell if it was hard or not and now somehow he's sitting down over there and I have a black eye and I should go kick him in the fucking head... Someone later told me I barely touched him.

I'd guess the Keiths of the world don't think like that and I'm jealous.

Having too much empathy sucks balls.

My working theory is that Keith is actually from the UK. Like many British singers, Keith's on-air personality uses what he thinks an American accent sounds like.

Further proof: what American just goes and marries a girl from Ireland?

As for Disney Nature, let's not forget that their precursor is the one who drove lemmings off cliffs to show the (false) idea that lemmings will follow each other to their deaths.

They're not nice people.

It's disruptive to the good folks in the justice system to have to spend all day beating someone to death.

Much better to use a captive bolt pistol and dispose of the body in a crematorium. Spend as little time, effort, and emotional energy as possible.

How long you think it'll take?

All day? I'll be done in 5 minutes. Promise.

Hearing Badass Andrea educate the gang on the dark arts of the ruck and scrum and other assorted Rugby Union shenanigans was absolutely top notch. It's dang near impossible to find footage of dirty scrum business, since the whole point is you do it underneath, where nobody - either officials or cameras - can see, but there are some choice cuts of rucking in plain sight from idiots who should know better.

What's fun about this one - a couple to the head with a couple of nice scrapes down the back to follow up - is Williams and McCaw were brothers in arms in the All Blacks, but when it came to facing off in their regional teams Ali would have a crack at anyone not wearing the same jersey as him.



At the lower levels of the game, club and school level, with less experienced/eagle-eyed officials it's easier to get away with this kind of malarkey.