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Old 08-09-2017, 08:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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with Jessica Watkins and Andrea Allan – Walking America; drive-ins, Atomic Blonde, Girls Trip, and 4D movies; suicide by text; teens mock drowning adult; Can evil people change?; Pete Rose’s underage sex; 96-year-old nazis

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Old 08-09-2017, 09:58 PM   #2 (permalink)
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"Part of me wants you to try and to fail"

I understand Chemda's point of view with regards to the text exchange. I feel like she's just doing her best to not to project pessimism onto the situation. It's easy to read too much into the intent of the messages and there's a number of additional possibilities. Also we don't know what extent they've had similar conversations face to face, they may have talked a lot more in person and we're getting a perhaps skewed portrait of her cause we're just looking at the compressed text trail.

Assuming innocent intent:
- She may have gotten to a point where she was absolutely convinced he was going to attempt kill himself at some point or another (she would have to feel like everything is out of her control in life in general)
- She may have been certain for some reason he would choke and fail to kill himself and could have been hoping that he would rebound and value his life more afterwards (hitting rock bottom?)

Assuming nihilistic intent:
- She may be suicidal herself and feel that "death is just a release from suffering" in which case she may be correlating her behavior with assisted euthanasia.

Also she sounds more nihilistic to me and not psychotic.

Assuming morbid intent:
- You could read in a morbid fascination with the idea of death and him killing himself in her tone. Leading in to her intoxicated with the power of pushing him towards killing himself.
- She could be completely unempathetic towards him and just want his existence and complaining out of her life.
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Old 08-10-2017, 01:38 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Please Chemda stop defending everyone.
If she had enough of this boy she could just stop talking to this boy and block him everywhere.

I'm sure Hitler was nice sometimes. He painted his landscape paintings and oh how peaceful he looked then.
And how sad he was not getting into art school.
Poor guy.
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Old 08-10-2017, 02:09 AM   #4 (permalink)
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And yes, people can change.

They can get help for a mental illness, stop using drugs or leave a cult/ religion/ hateful organization.
This can lead to an other world view.


But not everyone does change.
And sociopaths are hard to threat because they don't think they have a problem. They think they are the victim.
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Old 08-10-2017, 08:07 AM   #5 (permalink)
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If she had enough of this boy she could just stop talking to this boy and block him everywhere.
My thought exactly, if she actually felt defeated and she couldn't convince him to get help, she should have just backed out of the relationship and contact with him. He didn't sound dangerous like he was going to harm others, so worst case she should have left. Trying your best to convince someone to kill themselves doesn't sound like the right choice, unless they're some crazy killer.

It's hard to see how Chemda thinks that a good state of mind would be "well I tried to convince him to get help, he won't, so let's go ahead and get this suicide over with".
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It's pretty obvious this girl is a complete piece of shit. And I agree with Keith that there's going to be no redemption of her life.

But I do disagree with the conviction of involuntary manslaughter. What actual law did she break? If her words convinced him to kill himself, then all of these are equally illegal:

- Why don't you just kill yourself?
- I really think you should buy a gun and kill yourself.
- I don't care if you say you'll kill yourself if we break up; it's over.

Yes, there is a difference between these and what the girl said, but I don't believe the legal system gets to draw that kind of distinction.
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It's hard to see how Chemda thinks that a good state of mind would be "well I tried to convince him to get help, he won't, so let's go ahead and get this suicide over with".

For the record, I don't believe it's a good state of mind. I hope I didn't come across like that.
I think she's sick. I want to know what kind of sick she is and why.
She did a bad thing. I want to know if she's a monster. I want to know if she's a sociopath, a vicious killer, and/or whatever.
I'm not saying what she did was ok.



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Old 08-10-2017, 09:34 AM   #8 (permalink)
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But I do disagree with the conviction of involuntary manslaughter. What actual law did she break? If her words convinced him to kill himself, then all of these are equally illegal:

- Why don't you just kill yourself?
- I really think you should buy a gun and kill yourself.
- I don't care if you say you'll kill yourself if we break up; it's over.

Yes, there is a difference between these and what the girl said, but I don't believe the legal system gets to draw that kind of distinction.
This is exactly the type of questions involuntary manslaughter has to answer.
  1. Someone was killed as a result of the defendant's actions.
  2. The act either was inherently dangerous to others or done with reckless disregard for human life.
  3. The defendant knew or should have known his or her conduct was a threat to the lives of others.
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  1. Someone was killed as a result of the defendant's actions.
  2. The act either was inherently dangerous to others or done with reckless disregard for human life.
  3. The defendant knew or should have known his or her conduct was a threat to the lives of others.
It looks like you're agreeing that the three examples I gave are all illegal?
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It depends on the context. Following your logic, the word "fire" is an illegal word because it is illegal to yell "fire" in a packed theater causing panic and potentially death.
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