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Old 08-15-2017, 09:10 AM   #31 (permalink)
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See, I was thinking, well it's only hundreds and not thousands.

Then I got to thinking, if hundreds of ISIS marched in Virginia.... It's almost exactly the same thing.
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Old 08-15-2017, 09:31 AM   #32 (permalink)
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But tarring a large group for the actions of its dregs is not only wrong, it's foolish. Shutting down good men for whom the positives of masculinity are worth defending pushes them into the toxic milieu of the MRAs. Conflating large swaths of U.S. society with the actions of these scum makes the latter stronger.
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Old 08-15-2017, 09:39 AM   #33 (permalink)
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Here's the nugget of truth that I was driving at:

You know how we don't conflate Al Qaeda and ISIS with Islam? Because when you do, you're lumping 1 billion people in with a very small group of whackjobs, and it gives ISIS people on their side who would not be had they not been lumped together.

Similar type of thing for Trump voters and Neo-Nazis, but I have a harder time feeling sympathy for Trump voters.
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Right about what? It's a rhetorical device used to shut down rational conversation and give the upper hand to whomever can emote the loudest.

Themar (alledgedly) recently played host to a very large and serious Neo-Nazi event.
When I was in Vienna last year, there were plenty of swastikas spray-painted around.

Why are you a Nazi, Lanfear? Or are you going to resort to that tired old "Not all Germans" chestnut?
Well if you would bother to read what we are talking about here vs instinctively jumping in my face like a triggered little baby you would know that I posted in this very thread about Nazis being alive and well and a problem in Germany.

And spoiler alert: just because things are illegal they still happen - crime exists GASP
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blah blah, yadda, yadda ... For every action, a reaction.
All I see here is see a Nazi, punch a Nazi.
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I'm German and I was Polish before.
To be a Nazi would be to hate myself and my polish family.

But if that's what the Führer wants...
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For every action, a reaction.
like when a person makes their spouse hit them. i hear ya, ligs. we should all try being quieter and more pleasant, ya know, with the Nazis.
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A more apt comparison would be if someone were to conflate Germans with Nazis and you got all "Not all Germans."
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actually, you're talking about contemporary Germans not being conflated with past Germans. so, future Americans will distance themselves from this like our present day Germans are distancing themselves from WWII.

thing is, this is happening now. how do we feel about the actions of everyday Germans living during WWII? people who could see the smoke down the street. we can see the smoke. what's our responsibility as people living this in the now?
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and just to say it, when you lose the war the statues come down. tear 'em all down. the confederacy were enemies of the state.
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golly, i do go on…

you also have to remember post-war Germany got its dick kicked in; there were trials, people were executed. Europe is pretty cozy and the neighboring countries did a swell job shaming the ideology into submission.

post-war South/America threw up monuments instead of taking responsibility or devowing anything. there was no real pressure present to snuff out what was happening (pssst…'cause the whole country was also racist). unchecked went the roots and the heels into it for the last full century and a half. hell, internationally they love our flag. the Nazis were /inspired/ by how we did our shit and that shit is still a'poppin'.

i'd say the time of baying "not me, not me" is pretty well over. yes, us.
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