2742: Vice

[Keith]

Originally Posted by Apia

So young black boys want to be pro players because it's a possibility to succeed and make money, easier for them then other paths. And this also means success and money for their families.
And now we don't care about their brain damage? Hm.....

Football will always be football. And it will always break bodies. Daily. Of course I care about brain damage, but I’m not silly if that’s the name of the game.

Hm...

Originally Posted by Scorpion

Kieth is the only one who knew these guys were having severe and permanent brain damage from football. Doctors and scientists around the country where shocked.

Every single game someone leaves on a stretcher, but they were SHOCKED!

Between cigarettes and brain damage, I hope you really look at your doctor sideways when he talks to you.

[Electric Squirrel]

I don't watch sports, I find them incredibly boring. But I don't see this church / football comparison.
If you choose to go to church you lend your voice to the people saying the bible is the guide by which you should live your life, you're supporting the ideals from which a lot of racists get their beliefs. I don't care much that the church hurts people who go to church, I care that organizations like the KKK spring from the church, I care that the believes churches promote cause laws to be passed that damage the rights of women and minorities. Biblical churches promote an attitude that makes real changes to the world and how the world is run. Football hurts the people who play, and does allows many players to do bad things, but football doesn't really effect elections, and national policy, like churches and the bible do.

[astrokahn]

PEOPLE DONT KNOWWWWWW
when I was waiting tables in the south, I would see people putting soda in their babies bottles.

My family still lives there. They exist on meat and fried garbage. Moms husband has cancer and still eats that shit bc of the ignorance, they think their diets are healthy if it omits fried stuff or candy.

Doctors.. Don't. Fucking. Know. Anything.
They're good for ordering X-rays, MRIs and prescribing antibiotics in my experience. How the fuck they get paid so much to basically not do their job for 90 percent of the time and how people still respect them I have no idea. Also the non punctuality eghhhh

BUT GODDAMN they go to school for six years to learn things about the human body that we dont know because we didn't spend all those years studying anatomy and disease and we can't see inside our own bodies. So at some point we go to the doctor because we hope they can Understand something about our body that we can't.

Also companies and the government spend a zillion bucks a second to make us believe things. They fuck with scientific studies on purpose. They push drugs that they say are safe and suppress evidence to the contrary and take the chance on a lawsuit later on. Worse yet, they sell drugs to doctors who in turn sell drugs to us at almost any cost.

My 16 almost 17 year old daughter got the birth control arm implant. To me it seems weird to implant anything in your body but she really wanted it and was worried about missing pills. I let her do it after a little research and a long talk with her doctor about the side effects. She said a certain percentage get this teeny problem, a certain percentage get this little annoying thing, it's just hormones just like a birth control pill and we all know those are relatively safe. I looked at the studies online. I read the literature that came with the advertising. I wasn't sold but I couldn't find anything terribly negative. A few stories I found once were disconcerting but the overwhelming stuff was positive.

She bled for nine months. STRAIGHT. Nine fucking months. At the six-month mark which, mind you it is still considered normal and safe according to all the literature and the doctors, according to the three different doctors I talked to, she went back to the doctor. They said oh don't worry, in fact, here are some birth control pills to take to regulate things. My brain was exploding. But, she really wanted it, and Here I am in a room with a doctor and my kid and the doctor saying no no it's totally fine, she's negating everything I'm asking about safety, she's negating everything I've read online. OK, maybe I'm wrong., Maybe I was looking at some fluke stories. How do I know what I've read is true when this doctor is pushing SO HARD for this thing? Am I wrong? Is she wrong? Is the Internet forum wrong? Three months later, still bleeding, they finally take it out. I demand it.

There are after effects of having this goddamn thing removed. So then when I look online for these after effects, which are on none of the literature from the product, which the doctors never explained at all, I find forum after forum of people having these horrible experiences after having it taken out. My daughter is sixteen. These doctors are gambling with these girls lives. Suicide is a side effect and I didn't know because the doctor didn't tell me. My daughter has depression. I only found out after researching this shit for HOURS. This is criminal.

Am I stupid? At some point when you have a lack of knowledge you have to trust somebody, somebody you are paying to have that knowledge. So sometimes we fuck up and trust that the person who is supposed to have education and integrity actually has it.

Yeah we switched doctors. But who the f knows.

[Carruthers]

Originally Posted by astrokahn

... at some point we go to the doctor because we hope they can Understand something about our body that we can't.

Also companies and the government spend a zillion bucks a second to make us believe things. They fuck with scientific studies on purpose. They push drugs that they say are safe and suppress evidence to the contrary and take the chance on a lawsuit later on...

This is why you need socialised, not capitalised, medicine.

[thirteen]

Chemda's completely right about how doctors were perceived and still are, to some extent. Especially by immigrants, at least those in Canada.

My grandfather's generation and those before him thought doctors were gods. My parent's generation, now close to retirement, have started to do more of their own research, while also considering what doctors, as professionals, have to say about our health. Nowadays many people take everything with a grain of salt, as they should (without being obnoxious about it to the doctor's face).

If you get a great doctor that knows their shit, keep them forever.
(Don't get too personal with male doctors though. They generally make terrible partners.)

[Keith]

Maybe that’s why, astrokahn, that you and people are mad at me: you hear me calling YOU stupid. Like when I said Kelly Clarkson gained weight, women heard me calling THEM fat somehow.

No you’re not stupid, because you knew not to keep using the problem.

And between your and Andrea’s soda examples, I’m learning diet news never reached the South, so I’ll keep that in mind and more sensitive. Some day a Northerener will explain to them that if you can SEE the fat, it’s a lot of fat. Until then I’ll leave them be.

(They must wonder why the North complains about eating healthy, but ok.)

[Kmj]

Since Keith has stopped drinking he does sound different, much more judgemental. It sucks to see that change hope it wears off and that he stays on the wagon.

[Keith]

Originally Posted by Kmj

Since Keith has stopped drinking he does sound different, much more judgemental. It sucks to see that change hope it wears off and that he stays on the wagon.

You've noticed that before today's show in the last 2 months?

[Kmj]

Yes 100% and I am not talking about the Vice episode in particular, I am noticing it when you speak to guests if they drink.

[Keith]

That’s the joke, Kmj. I’m acting holier than though when I tell someone, That’s the disease talking.

Do you happen to be a stinkin’ drunk?

Also, did you go to the gym today like I did?