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Michael's Servant 10-29-2017 08:00 PM

2744: Privilege
 
Landmark; KATG Polls; Keith’s weigh-in; access to nutritional information and white privilege

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Apia 10-30-2017 02:04 AM

I don't know about all these privileges about food. But I have a very different experience.
I am from a poor working class family in Poland and in my childhood we didn't have a great choice in food BECAUSE NOTHING WAS IN THE STORES TO BUY. I think this is the opposite of privilege. You can not be more stressed out about food as with the real danger of going hungry.
I visited Germany before we moved there and the supermarket was for me unimaginable rich, food items I have never seen before, I felt really, really poor.
I waiting for someone to try to turn this argument, but we were only white people in that country ( I haven't seen a black person in my first 12 years in Poland) with these problems.
Imagine this. Maybe you could buy tee and salt and bread and onions. That's it.


Not healthy or unhealthy food. And still we knew ok what's good and what's not.
Vegetables and fruits good, lots of sugar bad. Smoking bad, drinking every day also.
I think this was even in school books.

I remember we had a sac of sugar in a closet in our living room that felt of the wagon somehow. Imagine this!
We used the sugar for Christmas cookies and special occasions. Ah, and I remember I wished for a banana for Christmas. And I didn't get one.
When we moved to Germany I gained some weight.
But not a lot. I wanted to eat Nutella every morning, but my parents knew this was not good.
How? They were faced with all the advertisements at once.

Sorin Markov 10-30-2017 08:03 AM

Unfortunately in Georgia... tomato sauce was legally declared a vegetable so that the state could save money on school lunches and offer ketchup as a veggie substitute and claim that pizza is a complete meal (with the pizza sauce being the vegetable)

Rabbit 10-30-2017 10:27 AM

I don't think that families are confused that they can't eat ice cream for dinner. Instead they're serving fried chicken, mashed potatoes, and corn. Look! Two different types of vegetables! Or they do serve a salad...with a nice coating of ranch dressing. But a salad is salad, so it must be healthy. It takes time, effort, and money to be able to experiment with healthier foods. Add to that that there are rural communities where the grocery store has a horrible selection of fresh produce (where I grew up) or urban food deserts, and it makes it even harder to learn how to eat better. It's hard.

And diets fail, because a diet is not the same as a lifestyle change. Diets are where you have to follow strict rules, and once you don't follow that diet anymore, it becomes apparent that they didn't actually learn how to be healthier, so you gain all that weight back. A lifestyle change is a permanent change where you eat healthier and move more. Any huge change in life is difficult. And here I am getting pissed off every time apple updates the iphone, so how can I judge someone for not making sweeping changes about every part of their life?

Scorpion 10-30-2017 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Rabbit (Post 864135)
... ranch...

hhhhmmmmmmmmm ranch...

Binkers 10-30-2017 11:27 AM

Chemda did a good job of articulating that the nutrition privilege is really about freedom from stress. Less healthy instant food and anything high in the sugar/salt/fat does give a quick hit of 'feel good' for a moment. It's understandable why people use food this way and everything about modern America makes unhealthy living the path of least resistance. Yeah our society is broken. You can choose if you want to fight it and make yourself healthy or fall into feeling like garbage. Why would it be easy? Nature itself is a struggle. Fighting to stay healthy in modern society still sounds a lot easier than going off into the woods to live in nature and have to hunt for meat and chop wood to stay warm and be fucked the minute a rattlesnake bites your dumb ass.

God I want a Twinkie right now...

Apia 10-30-2017 11:37 AM

Imagine living in North Korea or Cuba now. ( similar to my situation in Poland in the 80 ties.) Those people would dream to shop in a rural us supermarket. I don't know about hard.

Apia 10-30-2017 12:00 PM

And the good thing about rural areas, land is cheap. You
Can grow your own vegetables. Especially if you don't have much money it's an option. Nor everyone works full time or 3 jobs.
From my polish time I know what kind of mushrooms you can eat not as drugs but for proteins. This was very useful knowledge.
Some of you have what I would call " rich country" privilege.
Poor people are in your opinion fat because if bad food. This is a step up from poor people starving because of NO food.

Scorpion 10-30-2017 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Apia (Post 864142)
And the good thing about rural areas, land is cheap. You
Can grow your own vegetables. Especially if you don't have much money it's an option. Nor everyone works full time or 3 jobs.
From my polish time I know what kind of mushrooms you can eat not as drugs but for proteins. This was very useful knowledge.
Some of you have what I would call " rich country" privilege.
Poor people are in your opinion fat because if bad food. This is a step up from poor people starving because of NO food.

There is a term here in the US "Urban Desert" and Detroit is one (I live in a suburb of Detroit). There are no super markets in Detroit, the only way to get food 7 days a week is to buy it at a liqueur store, Bodega or as we call them here party stores. It's expensive and not a lot of healthy choices.
We have a farmers market in Detroit on Saturday all year round but what is at the market changes with the season. They have Tuesday and Sunday open only Jun-Sep. AH probably more than you need to know...
My point is getting healthy food to eat involves a using the bus system, our laughable elevated train or a lot of walking if you don't have a car. Now this is the Motor City so you might rightly imagine our public transit system is, lets just say, not the best. Lets just say we are not getting any awards for public transit here. ah again too much...
The point is there is nothing easy about eating healthy if you are poor and live it an urban desert. I don't know how you fix it, I don't know enough to talk about how it happened I'm sure there are not nice things. But I do recognize that eating healthy starts with having a choice and that is not only about money or education.

Apia 10-30-2017 12:21 PM

What about creating a veggi garden? Seems more fun than all this bus business


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