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Keith 11-19-2017 09:47 PM

2759: For Shame
 
with Andrea Allan – Weed vs. sleeping pills; KATG’s students; the NFL’s camera angles mimic Madden video games; community service attitudes; the winning name for female genitalia; Chemda’s representation of Keith; the top 10 countries; Cards Against Humanity vs. the President of the United States; Sarah Silverman and Marc Maron on the Louis C.K. news; Hollywood exposed and rehabilitation

Guest:
Andrea Allan
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Mermaid 11-20-2017 07:14 AM

Some people find joy in thinking they are better than others. They will excuse everything they do and vilify everyone else.

indarkjoy 11-20-2017 10:35 AM

I could be wrong here, but I recall Jerome/Newsie admitting to being very sexually inappropriate towards men, we'd probably call it sexual assault if it were females receiving the behavior, that's a bit more than being a criminal 'spray painter.'

The Girl 11-20-2017 10:40 AM

Awesome, Apia! Can I post a list of my Pitamins here later and you assess?


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Lanfear 11-20-2017 10:45 AM

Don't worry about it Keith Germany is on a direct path to an unstable government for the next few months because a little asshole pretty boy politician threw a temper tantrum Sunday night - so you'll probably get that USA #1 spot back soon.

Michael Cohen 11-20-2017 10:45 AM

"Criminal Behavior"
 
I think the way Chemda uses the word "Criminal" does way more to confuse the issue than clarify it.
"Criminal" just refers to what is illegal in our society. Letting that in any way guide what we think is right or wrong will always convolute a conversation because laws in this (most/all?) country are created by a tiny, profit driven minority.
Pipeline blockading protesters are criminals. Undocumented immigrants are criminals. People who sell or distribute drugs without a license are criminals. Street artists/graffiti writers are criminals. People who try to stay in their homes after the bank forecloses are criminals.
Most catcalling is not criminal. Teargassing and beating peaceful protesters is not criminal. Fracking, shown to contaminate people's drinking water is not criminal. Nazis marching through the streets is not criminal. Punching one, or even just tearing up their signs, is. Wal-Mart paying their workers so little that you can work full time there and still need food stamps is not criminal, but taking food from Wal-Mart is.
I'm not, in this message, putting judgement on which of these should or should not be, just pointing out enough to make a point.
Sorry to be so lengthy, but my point is that discussing right and wrong in terms of legality, is not a useful discourse. We (y'all) are smart enough to navigate ethical discussions without defaulting to what corporations and politicians have told us, often to protect themselves and their profits.

Lanfear 11-20-2017 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Girl (Post 864621)
Awesome, Apia! Can I post a list of my Pitamins here later and you assess?


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yes please

Newsy 11-20-2017 11:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Cohen (Post 864623)
I think the way Chemda uses the word "Criminal" does way more to confuse the issue than clarify it.
"Criminal" just refers to what is illegal in our society. Letting that in any way guide what we think is right or wrong will always convolute a conversation because laws in this (most/all?) country are created by a tiny, profit driven minority.
Pipeline blockading protesters are criminals. Undocumented immigrants are criminals. People who sell or distribute drugs without a license are criminals. Street artists/graffiti writers are criminals. People who try to stay in their homes after the bank forecloses are criminals.
Most catcalling is not criminal. Teargassing and beating peaceful protesters is not criminal. Fracking, shown to contaminate people's drinking water is not criminal. Nazis marching through the streets is not criminal. Punching one, or even just tearing up their signs, is. Wal-Mart paying their workers so little that you can work full time there and still need food stamps is not criminal, but taking food from Wal-Mart is.
I'm not, in this message, putting judgement on which of these should or should not be, just pointing out enough to make a point.
Sorry to be so lengthy, but my point is that discussing right and wrong in terms of legality, is not a useful discourse. We (y'all) are smart enough to navigate ethical discussions without defaulting to what corporations and politicians have told us, often to protect themselves and their profits.


Welcome to the forums - FUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU!

Also, reading this calmed me down and stopped me from getting mad inflammatory in response.

I really wish Keith got caught and prosecuted when he shit in someone’s milkshake and served it to them, so we wouldn’t have such a high fucking horse to sit on. Or cumming in someone’s hair as a form of revenge. Or punched a guy in his sleep.

Keith 11-20-2017 11:05 AM

I was on your side!

Newsy 11-20-2017 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 864626)
I was on your side!


Sure, as long as you can remind me regularly that I’m a rapist, you’re totally on my side.

Uuuuugh. I’m doing the thing again where I feel a feeling and instead of communicating, I’m attacking. I’m sorry for the tone of the last two messages, I still do mean the sentiment behind the first - it really is upsetting sometimes when Keith comes off as “better than” other people because he didn’t _____. I’ll always admit that I only jump on the forums and start flaming Keith when I feel personally about something he said, and he might not always mean to come off on a certain way or even know he’s doing it.

Before I was a “criminal”, I could care less what people thought about criminals. Now that I have a criminal record, I get the judgement of other people who don’t, who HAVENT GOTTEN CAUGHT with the things they’ve done, so they feel justified looking down on others who are “criminals”.

I can’t imagine saying to someone like Petey, “How dare you be happy while you’re being punished, the nerve!” He’s doing what he has to do, and spreading all of the positivity in the world while doing it. If people with criminal records gave into the judgement of others, it would send them/us to worse places mentally, than if they/we were recognized for trying, and not looked at like broken irreparable things that should 100% of the time walk around with our tails between our legs.

Keith 11-20-2017 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newsy (Post 864627)
Before I was a “criminal”, I could care less what people thought about criminals. Now that I have a criminal record, I get the judgement of other people who don’t, who HAVENT GOTTEN CAUGHT with the things they’ve done, so they feel justified looking down on others who are “criminals”.

I can’t imagine saying to someone like Petey, “How dare you be happy while you’re being punished, the nerve!”

I didn't call you a criminal. You heard me talking about Petey and somehow took it like I was talking about you because Chemda brought your name up. I don't think that's on me.

Also, my crimes are superhero related, so...

Michael Cohen 11-20-2017 11:59 AM

[QUOTE=Newsy;864625]Welcome to the forums - FUUUUUUUUUUUCK YOU!

Haha it's been a year and a half of waiting. I try to do like Silent Bob and only pipe up when I've got something pressing. Having to make an account was always a good "How much do I really need to say this?" barrier. Probably now that that's crossed y'all will hear from me more than anyone wants to.

Newsy 11-20-2017 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 864630)
I didn't call you a criminal. You heard me talking about Petey and somehow took it like I was talking about you because Chemda brought your name up. I don't think that's on me.

Also, my crimes are superhero related, so...

I should have responded in the proper episode thread, for the Poll Position episode, because as I was listening to it, the same way the person who wrote the letter felt, I felt. This was before I was even brought up (if I was even brought up? I’m still getting through “For Shame”.

So are my crimes.

Michael Cohen 11-20-2017 12:08 PM

"Welcome to the forums" -Newsy
 
Thanks! I've waited a year and a half, but had to come out in defense of criminals haha. Now that the flood gates are open y'all will be sick of me soon enough.

Michael Cohen 11-20-2017 12:12 PM

Sorry to repeat, I thought the first hadn't posted.
Newsy will vouch I'm functionality technologically illiterate.

Keith 11-20-2017 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Newsy (Post 864632)
I should have responded in the proper episode thread, for the Poll Position episode, because as I was listening to it, the same way the person who wrote the letter felt, I felt. This was before I was even brought up (if I was even brought up? I’m still getting through “For Shame”.

So are my crimes.

So it's from a different show where you weren't even brought up?

C'mere...

Newsy 11-20-2017 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Keith (Post 864635)
So it's from a different show where you weren't even brought up?

C'mere...

It’s hard not to take some things personal. It’s even harder to control what I do with my feelings about it. But I will continue to try and work on them.

astrokahn 11-20-2017 01:01 PM

Wtf is this secret w the kickstarter? I combed all the rewards and apparently I'm missing it? Is it the wake up call?

Michael Cohen 11-20-2017 01:10 PM

Newsy:
"Reading this calmed me down and stopped me from getting mad inflammatory in response. "
(Proceeds to say inflammatory shit anyway)😂😂😂

The Girl 11-20-2017 01:43 PM

pitamins
 
This is what BabyButt says about my pitamins:

I give you Calcium, Biotin, Omega 3s, and Vitamin c.

You have one glucosamine complex for joints.

For your thyroid and MG:
Huperzine A (Chinese herb that is said to help the patients of the rare disease of MG)
Tumeric
Oregano Oil
Cumin Seed Oil
Spirulina
RSO oil

The autoimmune disease you have does not have a cure. Only Pharmaceuticals that have terrible side effects and addictive properties.

I've had to do research based on the one in a million percentage of people that have the same condition you do and saw what worked for them.

If I were not purchasing these capsules from trusted sources in my opinion, I would be making them myself.

----

MG is myasthenia gravis

Lanfear 11-20-2017 02:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by The Girl (Post 864639)
This is what BabyButt says about my pitamins:

I give you Calcium, Biotin, Omega 3s, and Vitamin c.

You have one glucosamine complex for joints.

For your thyroid and MG:
Huperzine A (Chinese herb that is said to help the patients of the rare disease of MG)
Tumeric
Oregano Oil
Cumin Seed Oil
Spirulina
RSO oil

The autoimmune disease you have does not have a cure. Only Pharmaceuticals that have terrible side effects and addictive properties.

I've had to do research based on the one in a million percentage of people that have the same condition you do and saw what worked for them.

If I were not purchasing these capsules from trusted sources in my opinion, I would be making them myself.

----

MG is myasthenia gravis

That doesn't sound like 50 pills a day.

I do fully believe all these pills come from trusted sources and I do trust it's all meant to help.

But also just from the show pic most of these look like multi-purpose pills.

The only one that I can read the label on from show pics is the 'pure thyroid support'
Which already has all of this:
Attachment 62015

So now you are doubling up on vitam C & tumeric. And I'd bet a lot of these pills throw in extra vitamin C because they believe you only take a 1 or 2 supplements a day. But you take 20 and then your tummy can hurt because that can happen with too much vitamin C.

lizsquiz 11-20-2017 03:30 PM

Keith has absolutely said pussy pie. Usually as part of the phrase "sweet pussy pie". I'm actually shocked pussy pie wasn't the name of an episode.

Mermaid 11-20-2017 03:33 PM

Shitting in someone's drink could have resulted in a manslaughter charge or worse.

People die from e. Coli and salmonella.

Yall just did a story the other day about a college student doing nasty shit to her roommates stuff.

The only difference is that she's actually having to pay for her nasty ass bullshit.

Enunciated Piffle 11-20-2017 03:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lizsquiz (Post 864642)
Keith has absolutely said pussy pie. Usually as part of the phrase "sweet pussy pie"

I’m pro weed but if Keith can’t remember getting a slice of sweet pussy pie, (down in Pound Town) maybe it’s time to lay off the green.

Jo_Culprit 11-20-2017 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apia (Post 864648)
Nazi stuff is forbidden.

I've often wondered why in the US they don't just outlaw the KKK?

I'm usually a very pro free speech kind of person and have heard all the arguments against being too Authoritarian and 'letting racists be racist so you know where the racists are" but damn, I wanna draw the line at people who's baseline belief and history is one that dehumanizes other people.

Why aren't they designated as domestic terrorists?

Jo_Culprit 11-20-2017 04:54 PM

Also, for the pole, are we talking about sexual aggressors or sexual predators?
is an aggressor someone that's coming across too strong and they've heard 'no' but continue? or is that predator territory?


I think guys can forget that they can come across physically threatening because they're approaching someone that has 'sexual power' to them. Like that saying when a guy is with a girl that's noticeably better looking than him, "punching above his weight".

In the case of Christian Finnegan, the story sounded like he had put himself previously in the same category as Pat Dixon "middle aged, white guy comedian". Then hadn't mentally separated Pat Dixon from himself based on Pat's actions until Keith brought it up. I'd like to hear on the forums from people that voted "Yes". I'm wondering if it's just mental association thing where they're looking at the class of the sexual aggressor not categorizing them by their actions?

Joe-mama 11-20-2017 05:18 PM

Calling out
 
Why should anyone be nervous. If you have nothing to be ashamed of let it roll.

Mermaid 11-20-2017 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jo_Culprit (Post 864650)
I've often wondered why in the US they don't just outlaw the KKK?

Why aren't they designated as domestic terrorists?

Because why would they designate a group that they are a part of as a terrorist organization?

After all they are just some good ole boys...

astrokahn 11-20-2017 05:55 PM

When Andrea and Chemda were talking about this "I wasn't hitting on you, you're crazy, you SOMEHOW misread the signals" garbage.

One I went to Home Depot to find dirt that wasn't infested with ready-to-hatch, plant eating grubs (hint: go somewhere else) and so I asked the man working there what I should buy. He was very knowledgeable and we talked about dirt for a while. I asked him if I could have his email address for questions I might have in the future. About dirt.

Later in the week a few questions came up so I emailed him. What I got in response was a reply containing a song he included because it "made him
Think of me". SADLY, IT WAS A CREED SONG. "If I couuuulllld, then I woullllld..I'd go wherever you would gooooo..."

I emailed him back and incredibly politely let him know that he misread the situation and I'm not interested in receiving love songs from him, to which he freaked the fuck out and told me I was crazy because he ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY WAS NOT HITTING ON ME.

True story, this has happened twice, two men, two love songs. Apparently guys everywhere must be sending each other love songs as constantly as girls apparently experiment making out with eachother in college, because, ya know, I totally misread the sitch twice. My bad.

The Girl 11-20-2017 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Apia (Post 864640)
Do you know how much you are taking of those things?

Like in milligrams.



Ashwagansa- 400mg Tumeric- 2,000mg Black Seed Oil (cumin)- 500mg Probiotic- 8 billion CFUs (probiotic and prebiotic) Oil of Oregano- 460 mg Hawaiian Astaxanthin/Spirulina- 8mg Glucosamine HCL- 1500mg Biotin- 5000mcg Omega 3- 100mg (DHA 50mg) Vitamin C- 500mg Calcium- 500mg (vitamin D3 800IU)


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Jo_Culprit 11-20-2017 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Girl (Post 864658)
Ashwagansa- 400mg
Tumeric- 2,000mg
Black Seed Oil (cumin)- 500mg
Probiotic- 8 billion CFUs (probiotic and prebiotic)
Oil of Oregano- 460 mg
Hawaiian Astaxanthin/Spirulina- 8mg
Glucosamine HCL- 1500mg
Biotin- 5000mcg Omega 3- 100mg (DHA 50mg)
Vitamin C- 500mg
Calcium- 500mg (vitamin D3 800IU)

Chemda, is Hennessey basing this selection of supplements on any research papers or is this all from anecdotal online testimony from people with MG?

I'm not as broadly knowledgeable as Apia would be but I'm a researcher in the field of chemistry. I would definitely err on the side of having some confidence in what Hennessy has read in depth about. My specific experience however would have me concerned about online hype around things designation as 'super foods' when it hasn't been quantitatively studied. The boost in energy people report when they have wheatgrass smoothies for example is their body gearing up to fight off toxins from the wheatgrass.

Also, I'll just add that the identity of the active culture in your probiotic is very important (I think it can be difficult to get anything that isn't just the standard yoghurt culture). How much resistant starch and fiber do you get in your diet? Not to be funny but the description of your farts and bowel health over the podcast since your tumor make me think that either you're supplementing more than your stomach can handle (or not absorbing well) orrrr something is going on with your gut microbiome.

The Girl 11-20-2017 07:23 PM

Jo,

I just started taking these pitamins. This is after I went to the doc and checked my stomach.
Something is going on with my stomach that is not appearing on tests. (I have more coming.)

BabyButt has been trying to get me on these vitamins but I only recently committed to them because it was hard to do on the stomach issues. Now that I’ve been taking them all, my stomach is not in pain. I don’t wake up at 4 to run to the bathroom.

I mind my diet for the most part but I’m certainly not perfect about it.

I’ll ask about where he read it and we’re open to thoughts. I don’t take any of this lightly though I joke on the show.

Thanks for caring.


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Jo_Culprit 11-20-2017 07:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Girl (Post 864661)
BabyButt has been trying to get me on these vitamins but I only recently committed to them because it was hard to do on the stomach issues. Now that I’ve been taking them all, my stomach is not in pain. I don’t wake up at 4 to run to the bathroom.

Ahhh :) this is good to hear, sorry if I missed this detail on the show

flerchin 11-20-2017 07:43 PM

While we're in this moment in history, I'd like for The Grabber to no longer be funny.

astrokahn 11-20-2017 08:05 PM

Pitamins and Baby Butt. I love reading these words in a serious discussion.

Archimedes_Screw 11-20-2017 08:13 PM

The thing that I learned from this episode is that the Hot Mess live episode could've been way worse. Love the shit out of this show.

skyelo 11-20-2017 08:14 PM

Chemda- Why dont you go to a naturopath? They have a PhD in holistic medicine. Although they can be expensive, youll probably save by cutting down on Pitamins, and youll have a more efficient plan of action!

invader 11-21-2017 09:02 AM

Forgiveness and rehabilitation is totally a thing considering Keith spent time in jail for check fraud and no one seemed to mention/remember it.

The idea of men getting scared of a "reckoning" is hilariously sad. I will say on the same topic, just saying "look it up" to someone who doesn't see both sides is glib and dismissive and ensures this attitude and behavior is going to continue. It's not that simple and requires discussion. Also look it up where? links, references?

thirteen 11-21-2017 09:46 AM

Obvious statement: everything requires moderation.

Vitamins are OK, depending on what they are. If we're generally talking about addiction, being addicted to basic vitamins is completely different from being addicted to sleeping pills.

Melatonin is OK, sleeping pills are in the iffy territory. I understand Keith takes them sparingly and doesn't seem to be mixing them with other drugs.

As well, I think Chemda is right that Keith has taken part in criminal behaviour in the past, but, to me, his don't seem as bad as the other guests mentioned on the show. Those were ongoing acts, at a much larger scale, and affected a lot of people. And I suppose the stuff he did is in the past. I have a feeling some of these guests and friends, as much as I enjoy them, only stopped their behaviour because they were caught by law enforcement and were a little shamed by the public / listeners.

The Girl 11-21-2017 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by invader (Post 864677)
Forgiveness and rehabilitation is totally a thing considering Keith spent time in jail for check fraud and no one seemed to mention/remember it.



The idea of men getting scared of a "reckoning" is hilariously sad. I will say on the same topic, just saying "look it up" to someone who doesn't see both sides is glib and dismissive and ensures this attitude and behavior is going to continue. It's not that simple and requires discussion. Also look it up where? links, references?



When we say “look it up” I’m pretty sure it’s usually in the context of “we’ve been talking, yelling, and discussing it like our life depends on it. So before you are just fully dismissive, open ANY channel of information. We are asking people to ask why people are yelling.

People will get upset if, while the topic is peaking in discussion, people say things like “eh, but it’s always been this way”.

So maybe we shouldn’t say “look it up” except that I don’t think that’s the first thing we say. So, by the time someone hears that, they only hear an exacerbated person.

And then the cycle begins. “Why are you so mad”.


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