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View Poll Results: Have you, in fact, taken the time to let out the dogs out?
Yes, I have in fact let the dogs be out and about. 11 50.00%
No, but I could tell you who let the dogs in, thank you. 11 50.00%
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Old 11-29-2017, 10:33 AM   #11 (permalink)
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You didn't ask him if he hangs out with 20 year old men.



I feel like you just said you would ask that question on a recent episode.



Or maybe I dreamed it.



But still.



he likely would have been coy about that also. "well.. Idk... I feel like I do but maybe not... I don't really ask people their ages"



Wishy washy ride the fence ass mofo.


I felt like when I asked him why he would go on that date to begin with that that was similar if not more accurate. The fact that he said he understood that that was weird answered that question for me.

It felt redundant at that point. Sincerely asking if Iím wrong.


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Old 11-29-2017, 10:40 AM   #12 (permalink)
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I donít get how Ted fell in love, got married, and thatís somehow a bad thing..?

Also I donít understand the poll. Iím all sorts confused.
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Old 11-29-2017, 12:00 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I mean, I think dating a 20 year old when you're 37 is weird, but I also dont know either individually personally, so what room do I have to judge? That said, I think it's the absolute upper bound I could imagine entertaining. If you had a 60 year old guest on that was like "yeah, i met my wife when I was 55 and she was 20", you would never be able to convince me he wasn't an absolute creep. But then again, I think that's the plot of Louis CK's new movie, so...
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Old 11-29-2017, 12:15 PM   #14 (permalink)
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If this confrontation proved anything about Ted Alexandro it is that the one thing that is truly dear to his heart is his image. His whole Jesus act is just a constructed facade, that crumbles the second he himself has to make the right decision.

Of course, the first thing he did was enter amnesia mode. As Chemda talked some more his reaction was to immediately flip the burden of proof over to K&C and gain himself some time to think. He says he remembers the phone call but ďUhÖ forgive me for being this clueless. what happened with pat?Ē. The classic ďgood guyĒ manipulation move where the other party has to feel obligated to lay out the facts first, and hopefully (for him) leave some sort of opening, so that he can construct a way out for himself using whatever flaw the other person inevitably introduces on the spot. Coincidentally this must be one of the ugliest ways gain the upper hand and manipulate younger and less experienced people. Lets you flip any complaint of your partner back onto themselves if you lack the maturity to deal with a woman your own age. How about he explain his sudden amnesia about a thing that he obviously felt so strongly about that he had to get personally involved! How about he try to reconstruct it by himself and K&C fill out the rest?

In the end he must have sensed that he probably wouldnít get away with that tactic and abandoned it halfway through, but it still showed that he must feel really really personally threatened if his he gets called out. And what does Mr.Perfect reach for first? Of course: manipulation.

And what was that next thing where he was hearing people say that pat raped someone andÖ what? Perhaps THATís why he stepped in because that was taking it a bit too far? are you kidding me? You hear people accuse Pat of rape and thatís what awakens your protective instincts FOR PAT?
Listen to that part again and vomit. I think right there he remembered his true motivation for getting involved and suddenly heard himself say it out loud and decided to better try and steer clear of THE MAIN POINT!

So then he had to get far away from his real intentions. He starts talking about what his intention WASNíT: ďI donít think I was trying to silence youĒ. Fair enough, but then again nobody said that. He wasnít trying to bully them into keeping quiet. But he was protecting Pat, he was trying salvage that assholes reputation. He sure as hell didnít feel compelled to seek out the people who are saying that they actually got hurt and who are risking their careers in order to stop him. Thatís what this sanctimonious fighter of causes DIDNíT think of doing. Of course back then there wasnít a well known movement that he could conveniently adopt to save himself the trouble of thinking for himself.

When that didnít do it he just flat out apologised. To Chemda? To Keith? Both? For what? Nobody in that room needed an apology, nobody asked for it. But it sure did end his part of that topic of conversation real quick, so I guess it worked.

All in all I came away thinking that he is a real weak little man who enjoys cultivating a progressive image but weasels his way out of accountability when it counts just like the rest of them. And that his unraveling came right as he was talking all holier-than-thou about the latest responses of accused men and how they all try to weasel themselves out of owning up to their wrongdoing was just delicious.

K&C held him accountable and that is exactly why I love this show. Keep it up, I love you guys.
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Old 11-29-2017, 12:53 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Again, I know next to nothing about this guest, but he didn't come across to me the level of psychopath it would take to be as calculating and fake as you're implying.
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Again, I know next to nothing about this guest, but he didn't come across to me the level of psychopath it would take to be as calculating and fake as you're implying.
Agreed and generally Ted is pretty awesome from what I heard on other shows.
But a lot of his 'brand' is fighting injustice and from today's show I got the same feeling of him having a huge blindspot when it comes to sexism.

Especially the 'now I'm married I understand' (just imagine how much he will understand if he happens to get a daughter) and 'somebody said rape so I called to mention that's not nice for Pat to have to endure' points rubbed me the wrong way
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Agreed and generally Ted is pretty awesome from what I heard on other shows.
But a lot of his 'brand' is fighting injustice and from today's show I got the same feeling of him having a huge blindspot when it comes to sexism.

Especially the 'now I'm married I understand' (just imagine how much he will understand if he happens to get a daughter) and 'somebody said rape so I called to mention that's not nice for Pat to have to endure' points rubbed me the wrong way
That's fair. And I think it's fair to call it a blindspot, but unfair to call it fully an act, if that makes sense. I'm in a field oriented towards Social Justice, and I have blindspots. I also don't have real reason to believe he s predatory or abusive around his wife, and trying to control her. He could well be, I have no idea.

I also hate the "I was a piece of shit now I have a wife and I understand women are kindof people too" schtick that many people do.
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I donít get how Ted fell in love, got married, and thatís somehow a bad thing..?

Also I donít understand the poll. Iím all sorts confused.
Agreed. At their ages (48 & 31, I gather?) it's not that big of an age gap.

Also, I think we have to give these straight cis men some credit for trying. The reckoning is coming and it's scary for them. Everyone isn't as awake as Keith and I thought Ted was polite and thoughtful. He seemed to be receptive to the conversation, not defensive, and even willing to apologize and change his mind about certain things. I still like him.
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Agreed. At their ages (48 & 31, I gather?) it's not that big of an age gap.

Also, I think we have to give these straight cis men some credit for trying. The reckoning is coming and it's scary for them. Everyone isn't as awake as Keith and I thought Ted was polite and thoughtful. He seemed to be receptive to the conversation, not defensive, and even willing to apologize and change his mind about certain things. I still like him.
Yes and I think the credit for trying is unavoidable and a nice thing to do but I also really feel they need a mirror in their faces about the past and pointers on where there is still room for improvement.

(Or maybe I'm just too much brainwashed by 'year end review' period at work)
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As a long time listener, one who has heard every ep Ted has been on, itís sad to this response on forums.

I donít get the pitch forks and torches.
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