2786: No Apologies

[Keith]

Steve Bannon apologizes; Golden Globes; Dustin Marshall and the end of Feral Audio; Ben Vereen and Paul Haggis, sexual abusers; revenge porn; Madonna vs. The Company Selling Her Used Panties; upcoming Grammy Awards

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[Bucho]

Shiiiiiiiiiiiit, I've been following Dustin Marshall from afar since the early days of Earwolf as a fan of Who Charted and Comedy Bang Bang when he was their engineer and was stoked when I heard you guys were hooking up with Feral.

I hadn't heard this stuff about Dustin, but it partially explains why there's been no new episode of Harmontown, the show headed by Dan Harmon (Community, Rick & Morty) and hosted on Feral.

The other part of no new episode of Harmontown is probably that Dan Harmon was also outed as a skeezy motherfucker about a week ago.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/1/3/16...r-conversation

[Bucho]

Originally Posted by Apia

I listened to a podcast documentary about Dan Harmon and his ex girlfriend and their split.
He made a terrible impression on me, he's lots of work for a partner and awful.

Yeah, Harmontown did a nationwide podcast tour not long before KATG did theirs, and documented the whole thing as a movie, and it was obvious his relationship with Erin McGathy (who also has a podcast on Feral) was a doomed thing. A fascinating trainwreck.

And it's only recently Harmon seems to have (genuinely?) stopped romanticizing that side of himself. For a long time it appeared as if he felt like his difficultness was all part of him being this great artist. Like he was so mind-bogglingly creative that being mercurial just came with the territory.

(The same thing seemed to be true of Dustin Marshall in some ways, and also of guys like the film critic/podcaster/Twitter bully Devin Faraci who was taken down as a sexual abuser a few months before Weinstein (and which tied into the Tim League/Alamo Drafthouse fiasco and which tied into internet film giant Harry Knowles being outed as a massive creepo ... where does it all end?))

Then the #MeToo thing started happening and you could hear in Harmon's podcasts from late Nov and early Dec that he seemed to start to see that he wasn't a charming asshole, he was just an asshole.

[memecherry]

Originally Posted by Apia

Exactly.
A to do for women: ( yes for women)

When you meet a troubled guy, don't think " I can heal him with my love and help him, that's the real love, let's date or get married!"
Think:
" he is nice, but he can only help himself to get better. We can be friends but I'm no magic healer and I have my own shit"

Most people that have savior complexes, or fear of abandonment, usually have to go through a few of the failed attempts of the first thought to then get to point where they are even capable of having the second thought....

Also most people don't really embrace the concept of working on their own shit outside of a relationship until they have been in a few. Many young people think relationships fill voids inside them, men and women.

[jcro21]

TEAM CHANGE!!

It's not easy or pretty but it happens. Borderline is a tough disorder that's especially tough on friends and family. This guy thinks his actions came from a place of love for his ex, and that that somehow excuses him. That's the story he's telling himself, and he needs a new one. Sounds like a weekend at Landmark would sort it all out.

Sarcasm aside, what comes through in that rambling letter is that he's begun to realize he's an asshole. If he can move from being a predator to realizing he's acted predatory and needs a timeout, why can't he continue to move in a positive direction? In a few months he might look back on that letter with shame and disgust. Hopefully this doesn't prompt him to write another rambling mess of a public statement. A journal entry would be better.

[Mermaid]

So many men that I meet have emotional and childhood problems that they need to work through.

It's really narrowing my dating pool.

[Steven in T.O.]

HI

I found myself yelling at the speakers in the car listening to Kieth and Chemda publicly ridiculing someone displaying classic Borderline Personality Disorder symptoms. It is not sex addiction as Chemda misdiagnosed. And Keith Bordline is a thing.
It is a serious and brutal illness that disrupts and the sufferer and the people around them. Can often be fatal, suicide. His fucked up behaviour is beyond his control and he needs medical treatment and therapy to manage his illness.
The letter read was SO irrational it shows the state of his thought patterns. In no way does it excuse his bad behaviour but it does explain it. His ex-girl friend show keep clear of him. (No kidding).
Perhaps some compassion for the mentally ill instead of ridicule is in order. I urge you to research BPD. I myself suffer from Major Depressive Disorder and have felt stigma. This show tries to be progressive but it really dropped the ball here.

[The Girl]

Originally Posted by Steven in T.O.

HI

I found myself yelling at the speakers in the car listening to Kieth and Chemda publicly ridiculing someone displaying classic Borderline Personality Disorder symptoms. It is not sex addiction as Chemda misdiagnosed. And Keith Bordline is a thing.
It is a serious and brutal illness that disrupts and the sufferer and the people around them. Can often be fatal, suicide. His fucked up behaviour is beyond his control and he needs medical treatment and therapy to manage his illness.
The letter read was SO irrational it shows the state of his thought patterns. In no way does it excuse his bad behaviour but it does explain it. His ex-girl friend show keep clear of him. (No kidding).
Perhaps some compassion for the mentally ill instead of ridicule is in order. I urge you to research BPD. I myself suffer from Major Depressive Disorder and have felt stigma. This show tries to be progressive but it really dropped the ball here.

And when Keith talked about his disorder I made fun of him. We made fun of my tumor.

We’re still the same people. You still laughed at people’s misfortune with us. It’s ok.

I misdiagnosed him. Good thing I’m not his doc. He needs one. Can I diagnose that?

Is it ok to make fun of people’s illness ever? Is it ok to say this guy is a shit right now but may or may not get better. Can you assume that I’m still a good person and wish him well but right now he needs to sit down and I’m expressing that?





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[Steven in T.O.]

I can more than assume you, Keith and the crew are good people, I hear it everyday. The bit just seemed like going for low hanging fruit, to me, like making fun of a mentally challenged person, for saying something stupid. Notice I didn't say retard....
I recognized in Dustin's letter someone who is in crisis. I felt more empathy for all those people involved, instead of the indignation that someone could be so wrong headed. That is one fucked up situation those people are in. I guess that's an advantage I have from being around the mental health community
I like irreverent humour, ... that's why I am a fan. Thanks for the thoughtful reply

[Enunciated Piffle]

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