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Old 08-01-2018, 08:38 PM   #21 (permalink)
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In all fairness I think it was just Carrie that wasn’t getting it. “Say goodbye in person but 6 months later but don’t text a breakup but respect them enough to meet in person but...”

No one knows how to break up and anyone who says they do is full of malarkey. It’s been how long since I asked if there’s a way that leaves everyone happy and of course no one had an answer.

“Be direct but be kind but be clear and firm but tell them things you liked...”

There’s no right way.

Notice that wasn’t in our relationship book.
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Old 08-01-2018, 09:19 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Keith spent years fighting the oceans unforgiving waves, wave punching Malley would def win
Andrea fought off a coyote and swung a snake over/around her head like a lasso and then threw it against a rock.

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Old 08-01-2018, 10:29 PM   #23 (permalink)
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There’s no right way.

Notice that wasn’t in our relationship book.
It sounded tough, and the only thing you can do is make choices you can be proud of.
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Old 08-02-2018, 07:32 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I'm only half way through, but this seems like the whole saga a few weeks ago of should Keith take someone at their word or treat them like a liar / someone who doesn't know their own mind. I don't think Keith should be blamed for giving someone the benefit the doubt and if we switched genders it would be totally intimidating, inappropriate and rapey from the other person. It just feels very victim blamey because he should've known or that he didn't give that person enough time or whatever. Not cool.

Great show though, I love the ones that get stuck into the nitty gritty and deep stuff.
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I'm only half way through, but this seems like the whole saga a few weeks ago of should Keith take someone at their word or treat them like a liar / someone who doesn't know their own mind. I don't think Keith should be blamed for giving someone the benefit the doubt and if we switched genders it would be totally intimidating, inappropriate and rapey from the other person. It just feels very victim blamey because he should've known or that he didn't give that person enough time or whatever. Not cool.

Great show though, I love the ones that get stuck into the nitty gritty and deep stuff.
Most people are on Keith's side, as they should be. They're not questioning that what this woman did was out-of-line, inappropriate, and manipulative. At least I hope not.

I took the whether or not you should meet someone one last time as a separate discussion, but I understand they are linked in Keith's story. You just do whatever you feel like doing in the moment. Keith was trying to be nice, and I'm sure he would not have just met her willy-nilly, whenever she wanted to for the unforeseeable future. It was a one-time thing, to make her feel better, and it probably made Keith feel better to make someone else feel better. It's a mutual thing that went wrong because she still had feelings for him and couldn't control herself.
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Old 08-02-2018, 09:14 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I'm only half way through, but this seems like the whole saga a few weeks ago of should Keith take someone at their word or treat them like a liar / someone who doesn't know their own mind. I don't think Keith should be blamed for giving someone the benefit the doubt and if we switched genders it would be totally intimidating, inappropriate and rapey from the other person. It just feels very victim blamey because he should've known or that he didn't give that person enough time or whatever. Not cool.
Casts a whole new light on the toothbrush/fur coat situation
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Old 08-02-2018, 09:33 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Oh my God! I have so many questions (that don't matter because there's no excuse for sexually harressing someone):
Does she know Keith has a girlfriend? Is this an extreme overreaction to a bruised ego? He, seemingly, was quick to agree to a relationship with Kyle and not her, so was this done out of spite?

"The Return of the Toothbrush"

I knew it. I mean I didn't know "it", but I knew something up. Keith was so oddly paranoid about a simple toothbrush; it felt like there had to be more to it. Subconsciously, perhaps he was registering a vibe/nonverbal cues that he couldn't articulate other than "It felt like a move". To us it seemed like a couple of innocuous incidents, but had we been in the situation, we might've got that gut-feeling too.

Anyway, Keith, sorry you went through that. I'd seriously consider Andrea's offer to run a fade on your behalf.

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Old 08-02-2018, 01:20 PM   #29 (permalink)
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I believe she didn’t know I was seriously seeing someone else.

No, there was no vibe or anything more at the time with the toothbrush. In and of itself, leaving a toothbrush at someone’s place without saying is a strange move. And it probably means you’re a psychopath. There doesn’t need to be more.
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Also, there was nothing "subconscious" about it. Keith was VERY conscious of it which is why it came up multiple times on the show.
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