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Old 04-02-2019, 01:03 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Yeah we will.

Now THATíS how weíll finally prove to everyone how perfect you are.
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Old 04-02-2019, 04:45 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Yeah we will.

Now THAT’S how we’ll finally prove to everyone how perfect you are.
I wish I was perfect.
But no, I don’t really. Perfect people have no more way to improve and improving is what I love to do. Getting better every day, the Apia story.
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Al Anon sounds very much like church. There is a book, a sermon, commandments, fellowship, secrecy, sharing, snacks. Iím surprised Chemda is so into it. Guess itís all about finding the ďchurchĒ that vibes with you.
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Old 04-02-2019, 07:36 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Al Anon sounds very much like church. There is a book, a sermon, commandments, fellowship, secrecy, sharing, snacks. Iím surprised Chemda is so into it. Guess itís all about finding the ďchurchĒ that vibes with you.
An without the abuse maybe?
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An without the abuse maybe?
I'm not defending the atrocities perpetrated by the Catholic church (and are we saying there are no predators at Al-Anon?). I just found it odd that the group will immediately jump on anyone that mentions religion or church, but then turn around and say "Take what you want and leave the rest" and "try multiple AA or Al-Anon meetings until you find the one that is comfortable for you". The same rules could be applied to traditional religions. Not all churches of all denominations of all religions teach hate and molest kids. Personally, I'm not religious and not spiritual and I don't attend church (mostly because I find it boring and I think the concept of "God" very unscientific), but I don't immediately demonize anyone that goes to a church. I understand that sometimes people go just for the fellowship and the positive messages. The same way you cannot say all Muslims are terrorists, you cannot say all Christians are gay-bashing, child molestors.
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I'm not defending the atrocities perpetrated by the Catholic church (and are we saying there are no predators at Al-Anon?). I just found it odd that the group will immediately jump on anyone that mentions religion or church, but then turn around and say "Take what you want and leave the rest" and "try multiple AA or Al-Anon meetings until you find the one that is comfortable for you". The same rules could be applied to traditional religions. Not all churches of all denominations of all religions teach hate and molest kids. Personally, I'm not religious and not spiritual and I don't attend church (mostly because I find it boring and I think the concept of "God" very unscientific), but I don't immediately demonize anyone that goes to a church. I understand that sometimes people go just for the fellowship and the positive messages. The same way you cannot say all Muslims are terrorists, you cannot say all Christians are gay-bashing, child molestors.
They have one book and it instructs people on how to treat slaves and just how valuable a raped woman is. Itís about the source material. And before you say thatís the Old Testament, the New Testament introduces the concept of eternal punishment.
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They have one book and it instructs people on how to treat slaves and just how valuable a raped woman is. Itís about the source material. And before you say thatís the Old Testament, the New Testament introduces the concept of eternal punishment.
I grew up going to a Protestant Lutheran Church. We never focused on fire and brimstone and hatred and what to do to a slave in the sermons at that church. We focused on generosity, forgiveness, servitude, etc. Again, "take what you want and leave the rest."

I follow the lessons of Mark Twain, Ben Franklin, Stephen Covey, Bruce Lee. All people with faults. Don't fully idolize anyone or any religion as all knowing and all encompassing. People use parts of the Bible to justify hatred they already have. The Bible was written and rewritten by numerous people. I love KATG, but don't agree with everything everyone says on the show. So I guess I have to hate the show because it contains parts I don't agree with.
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I will tell my kids not to get married before 30. Live a little. Develop. Experience some break ups. Get to know what you really want.
We will see how this turns out.
my Mama got married right out of high school to her first husband (not my Dad) and spent my entire life warning me not to do the same. what did i do? i got engaged at 19.

you can preach wisdom until youíre blue in the face, but you canít stop young folks from fucking themselves up. cíest la vie
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I'm not defending the atrocities perpetrated by the Catholic church (and are we saying there are no predators at Al-Anon?). I just found it odd that the group will immediately jump on anyone that mentions religion or church, but then turn around and say "Take what you want and leave the rest" and "try multiple AA or Al-Anon meetings until you find the one that is comfortable for you". The same rules could be applied to traditional religions. Not all churches of all denominations of all religions teach hate and molest kids. Personally, I'm not religious and not spiritual and I don't attend church (mostly because I find it boring and I think the concept of "God" very unscientific), but I don't immediately demonize anyone that goes to a church. I understand that sometimes people go just for the fellowship and the positive messages. The same way you cannot say all Muslims are terrorists, you cannot say all Christians are gay-bashing, child molestors.
I was raised very Catholic and there is a lot wrong with that.
Maybe there is a church somewhere that isnít bad, but most organized religions tend to turn not great.
I see a huge difference to AA and Al anon.
So they promise eternal life if you follow them and eternal hell if you donít? Do they discriminate against gay or trans people? Do they say they are the only way to live? I donít think so.
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I was raised very Catholic and there is a lot wrong with that.
Maybe there is a church somewhere that isnít bad, but most organized religions tend to turn not great.
I see a huge difference to AA and Al anon.
So they promise eternal life if you follow them and eternal hell if you donít? Do they discriminate against gay or trans people? Do they say they are the only way to live? I donít think so.
Exactly, you only know super fucked up Catholicism. Assuming you know your German history, then you should know that King Charles V, Holy Roman Emperor and Monarch of Germany, and Martin Luther, German priest and leader of the Protestant Reformation, had very different ideologies about Christianity and when Martin Luther posted the Ninety-Five Theses in 1517, he was excommunicated and condemned as an outlaw by the Holy Roman Emperor. Thus beginning the long divide between Catholics and Protestants.

I'm not saying Protestant churches can't be fucked up too. I just know the entire premise of Catholicism is way more what you're talking about (eternal damnation, hatred of gays, etc.). That's why it's called "Catholic Guilt", and not "Christian Guilt".

Evangelical christians, Catholics, Southern Baptists, are among the worst examples of Christianity. Lutheran Protestant, (or Buddhism, Confucianism, Taoism) are generally more accepting and look at the good in Christianity instead of how to use the Bible as a weapon.

I hate having to defend organized religion. But it's like the South Park episode where the different organizations of Science fight over who's science is better. People will always find ways to divide themselves and argue over dumb differences (skin color, flag color, how to say "Hello", whatever).

To channel my inner Ted Alexandro, try to figure out how to find commonality with people, instead of condemning them instantly for hearing something like they might talk to a pastor occasionally.
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