320: Use a Condom

[Mattt]

A lovely episode, quite stand out.

Chemda, I was somewhat eyebrows-up surprised when you were shocked with the broadcast of such a personal event.
Since the episode of your initial advice to Abort.Girl, I assumed you had an abortion; when you said about the clinic to her, it was quite clear.

That aside, awsome show, the connection between you and keith was intense, bravo to radio! yay the audio!.

Peace

[spooky]

Originally Posted by pk_synths

What I find puzzling about the whole abortion debate is that the people that have the biggest opinion on the matter are the ones that it doesnt involve. Mostly men. If you ever see an anti-abortion rally 80% of the protesters are men. Almost 100% of the abortion clinic bombers were men. Almost 100% of the abortion clinic doctor murders were men.

I, being a male, find it disturbing that the opposite sex is determining what a woman can and can not do with her own body. Seems kind of archaic to me. I thought female oppression was over but this is a good example that it's not.

Also most of the abortion opinions are based on religious belief. Which shouldn't apply to ANYTHING anyone can and can not do. People need to keep their religion at home and anyone who is in power to make a decision about abortion should do it from an unbiased, unreligious, unskewed frame of mind.

Honestly the only people that should make the decision are the people that had an abortion. If a majority of the people that had one say it should be illegal than I will change my mind. Not some crazy God fearing Christian MALE of all people.

My 2 cents.

see the abortion thread, sir. believe it or not, some people think life begins at conception, regardless or religion, and if thats your belief, than it is the taking of a life without adequate justification in all but a tiny handfull of cases. also, believe it or not, some people believe both the father and mother have a say in what happens to a child.

i think youre speaking from a very unclear view of the situation, and why people oppose abortion, and for that matter, why they are for it, and perhaps should reexamine your beliefs. personally, im proChoice, and im embarassed that im on the same side of an issue as you are.

Originally Posted by pk_synths

Everyone has the right to an opinion but it's weird when most of the opinions are from males about a topic that relates solely to females. I'd understand if it was split down the middle but it's not. True you need a male to conceive a child but afterward it's a females decision as to what she can and can't do. Just like it's a male's decision to wear a condom and use proper protection. It goes hand in hand.

It's funny how people that never go through something like that always have the biggest opinion about it. Take gay marriage for example. Bush is completely against it but Cheney is for it. You'd think he'd be against it but guess what his daughter is a lesbian therefore his opinion on the matter is different because it directly affects him. If Bush had a gay son he'd most definately be tootin a different horn. I say walk a mile in someone else's shoes before you have an opinion about them.

Therefore the only poeple that should have any opinion on the matter are the people that have had abortion affect them in one way or another. Male and female. Equally. Everyone else just needs to mind their own fucking business

BTW Sparky I'm not personally attacking you or anything. Just having a debate. It is a forum

ive never walked in the shoes of a murderer or rapist or child molestor, so should those be legal, should i not be allowed to have a say? your arguement has no basis in reality.

let me ask you this:
why do you feel its wrong for a community, that believes life begins at conception, to not allow what they believe to be murder happen where they live? is it because many, though clearly not all, are religious, and you dislike religion? where life begins is a belief, not a scientic fact. if youd like to talk science, life begins essentially at conception. its societies beliefs that place the recognition of life at other places in development, like when it becomes aware, when its able to survive outside the womb, at birth. why do you believe that your belief has more validity than anothers, thus should be honored, allowing what some people actually believe to be murder on a scale approaching the holocaust, to happen within their own community?

[pk_synths]

Spooky, don't know if my points came across as I intended them to or explained it in the detail that it should have. My arguement isn't if a father should have a say in a pregnancy or not. Of course every member of a loving family should have a voice regarding the wellbeing of their child.

My arguement regards the people that make decisions that will either give or take away the freedom for a father and mother to make that type of decision.

In the last few years the seperating line between state vs. religion has been crossed way too many times for my own comfort. And desicions are being made not out of unbiased "what-is-best-for-the-people" mentality but from a personal agenda mostly based on personal belief.

I don't like seeing freedoms, like the right to have an abortion, being taken away because a handful of people in power deem it wrong. Those types of decisions should be made by an unbiased party. Weigh the pros vs. cons and personally that's how all matters should be addressed. Logically.

I think we are just talking about two different spectrums of the same topic.

[MichaelG]

oh shit, spooky is in here? Get ready for the FTL argument. (the opposite of EVERY point of view)

[Blank Mondragon]

Their answer is silence ... and then Chemda comments "you are an asshole!"

http://in.solit.us/archives/dcode/6663643140

[PhaseTwenty]

I wanted to chime in on the study regarding sexy music leading to sexual activity earlier in life. I would call this study "a case of bullshit by way of confusing causation with correlation."

What I mean here is this: the study found teens listening to sexy music (however that is being defined) were also having sex at a young age. It sounds reasonable, but it's not. An analogous situation is the Simpsons' Tiger-Repelling Rock (tm)*. Lisa claims that a rock she found on the ground kept tigers away. As proof, she presented the argument that since there aren't any tigers around that the rock must work.

In the case of the sexy teenagers, I would claim that there are more appropriate causes to consider, like shitty parenting. This kind of argument annoys me a lot, which is why I thought I might resurrect an old thread to present a lengthy post to a few people who either already caught on or don't care.

It seems that enough has been said about abortion, so I won't go into it other than to give Big Happy Balls to Chemda.

*Simpsons Episode 0723 (3F20) "Much Apu about Nothing"
Further reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Correlation_causation