3326: The Diagnosis w/ Perry Strong
 

President Trump tested positive for the COVID-19 hoax; Keith’s poker injury; being the son of a pimp and a prostitute

Guest:
Perry Strong
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Where’s Perry?

I just saw an article about the donors at the COVID-infected NJ fundraiser are freaking out.

That's fun and an angle I haven't necessarily thought of. (Also, donors don't want to back a loser.)

My first thought was that it's a trick, but, again, everyone knows we have a headline culture. Not a lot of room to get crafty and play chess.

But who knows.

Oh wow
Anyone else extremely attracted to this voice?

Ah, he was on hot mess recently and talked about how he was annoyed with political correctness. What can I say! Cancel culture is bad and so on.

Let’s see if he goes there again on this episode.

Ok i liked him better here.

Trump definitely new he had Covid when he met with his donors.

https://youtu.be/qpnKGIj9dNo

What a life...
 

I really loved/enjoyed this guest. I hope he attracts all things good in life.

Side note on the therapist, I really think you didn’t give her enough credit. Even assuming that she was attracted to him, in that case it wouldn’t have been right for her to treat him if she saw that she might be in danger of crossing a line with him, which is detrimental to a therapeutic relationship. It shows a refreshing self-awareness to know when a patient wouldn’t be appropriate for you.

Also, manipulation in the mental health/therapy field is very real and very common as you might imagine, as many people who seek therapy (or are forced into it by being blue/pink-sheeted) aren’t necessarily ready to start the process and give the therapist all kinds of bullshit, for lack of a better word. As a complete noob who’s been doing some psych rounds, I’ve already seen it quite a lot. It may have been that she misperceived him as manipulative, or saw the potential that he might become so judging his intelligence, and so cut her losses early. From my limited experience, the more intelligent the patient, the less direct-able they seem to be (I’m aware of how shitty this sounds).

I’m sensitive to the fact that his run-in with this rejection completely put him off therapy and hurt him. Sometimes, finding the right therapist is a process. But I’m glad whatever he did/is doing is working for him, and frankly he has more willpower than many.

Oh yeah.

And I think I got a complimentary empathy boner out of this one too lol.

Thank you for your support

Perry Strongs' therapist
 

Dear Katg.

Perry Strongs' therapist rejected him because she diagnosed him with anti-social personality disorder or criminal insanity. This is the violent form of the most difficult to treat mental illness there is, borderline personality disorder or anxious psychopath. Clinicians must be on constant guard against these patients because they are so destructive. Saying he could manipulate her because he was too smart was a ploy. She was letting him down easy because he was so disturbed. That's why the Drama of the gifted child was originally title the Drama of the Narcissistic child. His primary tactic was pity instead of intimidation. The smarter anti-socials (anti-humans) are the more criminal they behave and the better they are at masking their symptoms. This and his middle class upbringing is how he slipped through undetected. Not violent enough to get attention but smart enough to hide his disturbance. These patients try to seem much smarter than they are because they like having power over others. He's not that smart and no one should be left alone in his photo studio with him especially women. These are the guys responsible for more than half of all rape. The condition is hereditary, and having pimp/prostitute mother is a red flag.

Hm, do you have additional we don’t have about this? Because for me it’s not enough that she said it, it could be something else, like what Chemda said or some other reason.

Also as far as I know he wasn’t accused of any sex crime. The way from a therapist rejected him to rapist is not clear to me, and honestly unfair. He brought it up himself. Wouldn’t a manipulative person not try to hide it, to not be outed as a psychopath?
But also, if you have more information please tell.

Also I don’t like mixing prostitution/ sex work and antisocial behavior. Sex work can be something a person enjoys to do and not harmful.

Sounds like you got some inside info. May I suggest chu & a or LWonKATG to dive deeper on this?

I'd like to see the receipts

You win. I am officially begging for receipts.

Assuming this is true, maybe it’s not so surprising someone with a past like that (lack of proper parent/child attachment, domestic violence and violence of various kinds even up to and including witnessing murder as a child) might have deep psychological issues they may or may not be able to mask. If this isn’t true, it was still fascinating to read.

Props to people who work in mental health. My pity was definitely peak, because how could it not be given the details. Just the other day, I observed a group of teens on an acute care psych unit in group therapy/ “milleau” as it’s called, and I was legit holding back tears as these 13-17 year olds talked about their lives. How do you stay sane yourself in the context of listening to tragedy after tragedy day in and out? But then imagine true or not, that’s its ploy, and you were being played like a fiddle at any given moment, because a personality disorder is involved. Like, that blows my fucking mind...

@Keith in your follow up question after Perry used the "N word" (2 old white men, well I treat my n*** better) . Did you make a conscious effort to say "as a black man" so your listeners would know?

Perry Strongs' therapist
 

The manipulative 4% therapists have to be on guard against are the boderline personality disorders. The 1% who are supercharged are the anti-socials. Diagnostic and Statistical Manual volume 5's checklist of traits lines up with everything he said and how he acted to a degree as to scream it. Reading books, watching documentaries and interviews with these patients, bartending next to a homeless shelter, growing up around and having several family members with this illness makes it very familiar/obvious. So many of these patients in comedy is the reason for the spate of recent serial rape revelations. Got a creepy feeling after first hearing Chris Gethards' voice on a podcast and felt supported when he was on a NPR piece about child psychopaths.

I still think it’s unfair because it’s a possibly but we have no proof. I didn’t hear anyone saying he did something wrong.
And I’m saying it even that I was very skeptical about him after his appearance on hot mess. I was annoyed with “I’m over 40 and the modern world is so mean. Cancel culture! Cancel culture!” behavior.

I was going to ask that anyway at the time and then he said that just then, so yes, 20% of why I said it that way was because he said that. But I would have asked anyway. That just made it easy or clear I wanted to say it.

Yeah from his voice initially I thought he was white. So sat up a little bit when i heard it. And was waiting for you guys to confront him. But then your question squashed it and I thought to myself, wow i think Keith sensed it and figured needed to clear the air for his listeners so we would stay on Perry's side. Brilliant episode all round!

So your assessment is based on your knowledge of DSM5 and not of this specific person? If we are in a culture where we will "believe women" we also shouldn't be in a culture that remote diagnoses a stranger. Be on guard, sure, but it seems dangerous to spout as fact essentially that this guy is a liar, psycho, anti-social etc.

this is not a receipt
this is guesstimation and fear

True. I would need some specific information about him, this is just guessing.
Also, I don’t know if a therapist could diagnose someone with such a serious disorder after one meeting.
Do we have some therapists here? What do you think?

It's true that intelligence and manipulation are two things that go along with anti-social personality disorder, and if you got weird vibes from him then feel free to avoid him in the future. But if you're drawing that conclusion from his traumatic upbringing (which Keith and Chemda pushed him to talk about, it's not like he came in here looking for sympathy) and the fact that one therapist didn't want to work with him, you're not gonna convince many people.

His voice reminded me a little bit of Paul Hooper so it checks out.

Just wow. So you pulled all that out of your ass? The level of detail you went into, I honestly assumed you might know something significant/specific. Do you have any idea how fucked up it is you claimed he’s a danger to women and went so far as to put into question his business as being nefarious, all based on diagnosing him through...a podcast...because he shared details of his life that he lived? Literal defamation based on nothing? Maybe you’re too immersed into the media you mentioned it you’re at the point you’re throwing the DSM at podcast guests without context or due process.

I miss Paul being grumpy and talking around how much he hates his dad. Also his dick pic but thank god for his thirst traps

I would agree.
It seemed as I you knew him.

And I’m saying this as someone who was annoyed with him for his I’m over 40 and the world is mean shit.